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Hello @Amber Chapman:

I have seen that you have reverted the changes that I had made to this article. I believe that my changes brought the article into compliance with Wikipedia policies. That is why I have re-reverted. I would like to explain in detail why I made the changes I made and what Wikipedia policy I believe stands behind them:

The language in articles has to follow the policy of WP:NPOV. But to me the article read more like a press release for the band. Phrases like "forward-facing", "a series of increasingly intense live performances", or "highly-anticipated" are WP:PUFFERY. Authors have to avoid this tone in articles. That is why I used more neutral expressions.

The article contained overly detailed information about the subject and about topics only peripherally connected to the subject, please see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We should be concise when writing about a topic. One example: The article contained detailed information about the releases of record label "Kaleidoscope", which is run by D, not by the band patten. But this article is about patten. So, releases by Kaleidoscope are not really relevant for an article about the band. They would be relevant for an article about Kaleidoscope or D, if there were any. (I fear that those articles would not meet the notability requirements, see WP:NOTABILITY.) So I have removed the Kaleidoscope releases and only left in a note that D created that label.

There is also information which is only sourced with a link to a Reddit discussion. This is not a reliable source and its information should not be used here, see WP:SOURCE.

For the capitalization issue, you already quoted the correct policy MOS:LCITEMS, but it seems that there was some misunderstanding. This policy says that in "contexts where the case of symbols is significant ... the correct case should always be retained". But that policy is only about the case when a word means something else when the capitalization is changed. E.g. "e" is something else than "E". But in our case, there is no other band called "Patten" with which this band could be confused. And that means normal sentence capitalization should be used here. In fact, the policy explicitly says that normal sentence capitalization should be used for artists who don't want to use capital letters:

Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang). When such a name is the first word in a sentence, the rule for initial letters in sentences and list items should take precedence, and the first letter of the personal name should be capitalized regardless of personal preference.

I have some additional points not directly connected to the content of the article:

Your changes were de facto a revert of my changes (see [1] for a diff of the last version before my changes and the version after your changes), but your edit summary read "edited for accuracy". Wikipedia strongly suggests that a revert is explained in the edit summary, see WP:REVEXP. I believe that means at least that the word "revert" shows up in some form in the edit summary. So, the next time you revert someone else's changes, please unambiguously note that in the edit summary.

And one last point: Is it possible that you are somehow personally or professionally connected to patten? Do you, e.g., work for Warp or for the management of patten or D? Because if this were the case, Wikipedia would request that you disclose this information on your user page and Wikipedia would very strongly discourage you from directly editing the article, see WP:PAY. I ask that question because, as I mentioned earlier, in my opinion the tone of your contributions is similar to a professionally written press release. If you are not connected to patten, then I'd like to apologize for being suspicous.

Best regards, Spike (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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