Talk:Philosophy of history

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Can this reference which I find useful be added?

Meyerhoff, H. (Ed.). (1959). The philosophy of history in our time: An anthology selected. New York: Doubleday Anchor Books.


--[[User:Redsstone.d.pappas 12:03, 2 May 2008 (MST)


This article doesn't appear to be NPOV to me. I have a degree in history and I admire the authors attempt to define the debate about the philosophy of history. While writing a book I stopped to look up "the great man theory" and ended up reading this article as well. This is a good article - and it is a very honest presentation about the subject and perhaps that is what makes it NPOV. – John Beasley

This article doesn't appear to be NPOV.

I think Dgaubin's screed is more appropriate for one of the Wikipedia meta-pages. She/he is attempting to start a dialogue here about where the future of the history articles.
Unfortunately, one must learn the alphabet before one can read, & then first read before one analyses. The history content articles on Wiki, I believe, are still too few: is there enough information in any one area that would satisfy any school textbook committee? Having worked over the last three months on the articles relating to Imperial Roman History, I can verify that area is in need of more work & substance. -- llywrch 19:27 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why this article is necessary. You mention the history of the Roman Empire" and again that focuses on content, the Roman Empire, rather than on the veracity of the method by which whatever conclusions are drawn about the Roman Empire. Can you see the difference? I am suggesting a shift away from the conclusions of historical inquiry towards a focus on the method of inquiry. There is such a thing as "scientific method" which binds scientists in a fraternity based on a method that should result in better conclusions. Historians however are driven more by conclusions without a fraternal conception of the method by which those conclusions are derived. This is what I'm driving at - none of us were around to SEE what happened in the Roman Empire, so whatever we think we "know" about it is based on assumptions, and these assumptions could stand to be tested. dgaubin 27 Feb 2007

Thanks for the Editing Talk! dgaubin 13:33 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

Quite obviously a house built on sand cannot stand. If the history articles do not conform to acceptable standards they must be rewritten. It will be found that many history articles are deficfient because they do not conform to philosophically defensible methodologies. It is better to make this article authoritative so that these philosophical battles do not have to be won over and over again in every history article. Sooner or later this article will be authoritative so every history article will need to be examined for possibile refactoring. This same issue is found throughout the wikipedia. For an example from the sciences examine talk:scientific method. User:Two16

The necessity of a clearinghouse or forum for dialogue[edit]

Thanks much to all for your thoughts and contributions. I don't know anyone who knows everything, least of all me. I do know, however, that for all Wikipedia's challenges, one of its strengths is its collaborative scope. I might not have had an opportunity otherwise to engage so many people on this topic and focus collective thought and effort to illucidate and develop the idea itself.

I have discussed this issue with professional historians, archaeologists, philosophers and other academics from several national backgrounds and specialties, and the problems/challenges associated with the current assumptions of "history" as a discipline are not well-addressed in the field (as conceded by these pros in the thick of it all). Some clearinghouse of the issues needs to exist, and perhaps Wikipedia can be the platform for such a forum of dialogue and the source of newer appreciations for the subject.

--dgaubin, 27 Feb 2007

layman language lost[edit]

I might also add that the organization of this article doesn't resemble at all what I had in my notes. I absolutely support the collaborative effort (else I would not be a contributor to Wikipedia, whether starting new articles or editing existing ones), but I would hope that a) the original aim of the article somehow survive and b) that the language, where and as much as possible, remains somewhat readable! It really is an exciting subjct which, in my little mind, ought to be a separate and distinct discipline - there would be no chance of this, however, unless the subject can be definable or at least coalesce to a sharp set of definitions.

New revisions[edit]

I've spent some time going through some of the new material since I first created this article, just to try and take some advice from above to use more common language and be a little more understandable. Hopefully, these new contributions will provide some clarity as to the gist of the idea.