Talk:Pico-Robertson

Merger to South Robertson

It looks like a repetition of South Robertson, Los Angeles. Are they the same neighborhood? Are the borders right? Looks like it should merge somehow. Too much of it overlaps. --Daniel E Romero (talk) 18:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Pico-Robertson, Los Angeles is the real name per LA Times and everyone who doesn't live in the neighborhood and have an axe to grind about the matter, as discussed on the talk page of Talk:South Robertson, Los Angeles. However, there were various opinions there and no consensus was reachable. I can't see how it would be controversial to just redirect this page to South Robertson, Los Angeles for now, as it's obviously some kind of POV-fork (even if it's a POV I share) and then, if anyone cares enough, start a page-move discussion at the redirect target. How can anyone complain about a redirect given that Pico-Robertson, Los Angeles already redirects there?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I looked at the mapping LA reference to Pico-Robertson and the South Robertson's Neighborhood Council's map of their neighborhood. Reading both for consistency, Pico-Robertson is only the northern most part of the South Robertson council. So, perhaps what we should do is keep both articles; get rid of the redirect, and just make sure that pico-robertson receives only proportional representation in the South Robertson one and clarify: Pico-Robertson is a neighborhood in South Robertson.

The other issue is that maybe they shouldn't be read for consistency. Mapping LA defines the borders of pico robertson. However, it does not recognize a South Robertson instead including it as part of Mid-City.

Thoughts? --Daniel E Romero (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

This is a tricky problem that's not going to go away soon. Part of the problem is that it's hard to make a case that the neighborhood councils are either reliable or independent sources for even the existence of their areas as places. They have unannounced interests, often closely tied to the real estate industry, and they divide the city up according to criteria that are in line with those interests. Now, of course, that sounds paranoid, and I have no real proof, because the intersection between the interests of writers of reliable sources and those of Wikipedia are more or less disjoint here. That's the other side of the tricky problem. It's hard to make a case that the places the neighborhood councils are named for don't actually exist, because no one writes about the issue.

And I don't know what to do in this case, either. But I will say that there's no valid reason to treat the pronouncements of a neighborhood council as reliable for anything, whereas at least the LAT is disinterested, independent, and reliable. I'd also note that there are no independent sources in this article for the existence of South Robertson as a neighborhood, and that probably there aren't any such sources anywhere. On the other hand, it's easy to establish the existence of Pico-Robertson as a neighborhood through many high quality sources, and I will bet good money that none of them say it's the northern part of some notional area called "South Robertson." If I could have my way we'd redirect this article to Pico-Robertson, or just delete it outright, but I've been through enough LA neighborhood AfDs to realize that neither of those things are going to happen.(copied here from talk page of South Robertson, Los Angeles to try to keep discussion in one place.)— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Basically we are talking about the same general neighborhood, no matter what we call it, so these articles should be merged, and I would not object to somebody being WP:Bold and just doing it. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 08:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, I am not sure about the statement above that Mapping L.A. "does not recognize a South Robertson instead including it as part of Mid-City." Can we have some light cast on that? GeorgeLouis (talk) 08:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

South Robertson is an official designation by the City of Los Angeles of the area bounded by La Cienega (on the east), Culver City (on the south), Beverly Hills (on the North), and Palms/Cheviot Hills/Rancho Park (on the west). It includes the neighborhoods of Pico/Robertson, Beverlywood, Crestview, La Cienega Heights, Castle Heights, Reynier Village, Helms Bakery District, McManus and others. We have an official Neighborhood Council (South Robertson Neighborhoods Council) and use the acronym SoRo or SORO. Keep both pages, but edit Pico/Robertson to be a "neighborhood within South Robertson". SORONC (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by SORONC (talk • contribs) 17:06, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

We can pretty much discount any editor with the same initials as South Robertson Neighborhood Council as being unbiased in this discussion. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

History

It would be great if there would be a History section added to describe how this area came to be what it is today. At least some information on how it got its name would be very helpful. Jdevola (talk) 10:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

There isn't much history under this name. I can google and only come up with a few mentions of a "Pico-Robertson" district.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Pico+Robertson%22&client=firefox-b-1-e&biw=1860&bih=1253&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2%2F26%2F1964%2Ccd_max%3A2%2F4%2F2004&tbm=#ip=1

The only refs appear to be from the mapping project itself. Redirect as there are not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to pass WP:GNG.Phatblackmama (talk) 01:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)