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Pionus tumultuosus seniloides

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Is Pionus tumultuosus seniloides a subspecies with the nominate Pionus tumultuosus tumultuosus? or are there two species? Snowman 11:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out this page at the Pionus Breeder's Association - [1]. Some people prefer to treat it as a subspecies, others prefer to treat it as a separate species because they're just not sure yet. Flummery 17:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the wiki-page mirrors the uncertainty over the status of Pionus tumultuosus seniloides. Good reference, I will add it to the page. I wonder what other references say. The wiki-page can updated when more is known about these birds. Snowman 18:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]