Talk:Plan East

A fact from Plan East appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 July 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although in 1939 the Polish Army had an elaborate plan for defence against the Soviet invasion, it couldn't implement it when the invasion began due to being committed against an earlier German invasion?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/July.

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Miracle

The Miracle at the Vistula, which saved both Poland and Europe from Bolshevik aggression

Guys, could you tone down your nationalist rhetoric? I hope you'll discuss the issue on Gadu-Gadu. --Ghirla^-трёп- 10:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviet Union was rightfully regarded as a possible aggressor

I would say it was the other way around. It was Pilsudski's administration that laid the groundwork for "the creation of conditions in Soviet Ukraine favorable to outside intervention", "recruited and listed real and potential Ukrainian officers and soldiers, and redrew mobilization plans for another war against the Soviet Union. War planning included schemes for the occupation of Soviet Ukraine. The Second Section was responsible for intelligence and counter-intelligence. Its main task was the creation of clandestine cells in Soviet Ukraine from Kyiv westward, reliable people to be exploited in case of war. It was also expected to create its own capacity to run Ukrainian agents from Poland to Soviet Ukraine. The Third Section was responsible for the production of propaganda to be distributed on the Soviet side of the border".[1] --Ghirla^-трёп- 12:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, both Germany and the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939, so indeed they were rightfully regarded as such. But anyway I reworded the sentence, hopefully its more neutral now. Prometheism is indeed a fascinating subject, but it is not that relevant to the '39 invasion, as by early 1930s it was proven a failure. In the end, please remember we are not talking about what 'might have been', but 'what was'. Międzymorze and Polish-dominated Ukraine, or Polish invasion of Soviet Union, were never a reality, Holodomor in Soviet-dominated Ukraine and Soviet invasion of Poland were.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 12:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, the article is about plans and prospective aggressors, isn't it? If there was a defensive plan, it's only natural to mention the offensive one. Polish dominated Ukraine was a reality. Worse, Polish "occupied" Western Ukraine (and Belarus) was a reality so sad to its people that they actually welcomed the Soviets in 1939. --Ghirla^-трёп- 13:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Prometheism was an intelligence operation, not an invasion plan. If you can find more information on a Polish military plan to invade Soviet Union, please don't hestiate and write one - but keep in mind this is not the article for that. As for the people who welcomed the Soviets in 1939: as Davies wrote, they were in for a pretty rude awakening. But this is quite OT here.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 14:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GG

Yes Ghirla, we use Gadu Gadu to hatch evil, anti-Soviet plots and to discuss partisan, anti-Soviet articles.

IMHO the phrase "Soviet aggression" has no nationalistic conotation, or perhaps Red Army was marching towards West - Warsaw and then Berlin, with flowers in their guns? Poland had no offensive plan against SU, at least I have never come across it in sources Tymek 16:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. If we need to move this to Polish Plan Eas then Plan West and this article should be nominated together along with any similar articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plan Wschód → Plan East — I think this is a good candidate for move based upon WP:UE. --Labattblueboy (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as a very generic title, suggest Polish Plan East instead. 76.66.197.2 (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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B-class review

This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]