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- 1 Untitled
- 2 pluperfect tense
- 3 types of pluperfect - bad use of English
- 4 clean up
- 5 Unlike Russian, which today has only remnants of pluperfect
- 6 Mentioning the use of a doubled perfect in German dialects?
- 7 Italian
- 8 Non Indo-european languages?
- 9 Bad example
- 10 wrong
- 11 Death of pluperfect in American English
"In British English, the past perfect tense is normally used, however."
We'd really need a proper corpus to tell, but as a lifelong speaker of British English, I don't think this is right; I would always say, "After I got up I went to the bathroom" unless there was something very particular about the sequence. What do others think? seglea 05:43, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Pluperfect is a very ueful verb tense to drive home a statement without ambiguity. look at the following statement which shows clarity when using the pluperfect together with correct punctuation.
Peter, whilst David had had "had", had had "had had" "Had had" had had a better score in the exam results.
types of pluperfect - bad use of English
"the door was open since yesterday" is certainly not British English; I don't know if it's American, but it reads as if it's been translated into English by a speaker of another language. Is it supposed to imply that the door is still open, or that it has been shut again? If it means that the door has been continually open since (including parts of) yesterday a Brit would say "The door has been open since yesterday" (or more likely "The door's been open since yesterday") If the door is currently shut, but was opened sometime yesterday a Brit would probably say "The door was opened yesterday." If it has recently been shut again after having been opened yesterday: "The door had been open since yesterday." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Unlike Russian, which today has only remnants of pluperfect
Well, the Russian pluperfect is pretty much the same as Ukrainian, except the auxiliary verb, "bylo", isn't conjugated.
Say, in Ukrainian it is:
- Ja vže buv pіšov, až raptom zhadav
In Russin, it is:
- Ja uže bylo pošol, kak vdrug vspomnil.
What's the difference, huh? I guess the only difference here is that in traditional grammars, Russian "bylo" is regarded as a particle, while Ukrainian "buv" is regarded as a separate complex tense, but I don't think they're really different in practice.
Mentioning the use of a doubled perfect in German dialects?
I think a good idea would be to mention that many German dialects which have lost the preterite (and have replaced it with the perfect) have created constructions consisting of a "double perfect". For example: Standard NHG: Ich war gefahren. Some dialects on the other hand have lost the preterite completely even for haben and sein and so have constructions like: Ich bin gefahren gewessen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Beggin your pardon, but the examples are rather nonsense. Ye it is true, taht occasionally (!) one hera a "double pluperferkt" (Ich hatte sie gesehen gehabt), but this is very rare and considered as wrong German, and in my whole life (I am German, living in Germany) I never ever saw it in a written form. And the example Ich hatte sie gesehen, nachdem sie mir gewunken hatte. is anyway wrong, because this is just ordinary (=correct standard German) Pluferfect, nothing else. -- Wassermaus (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
The speech "Dopo che lo avevo trovato, lo vendevo" in Italian is absolutely wrong, though it is largely used in (very) informal language. The correct form is "Dopo averlo trovato, lo avrei venduto" (literally, "After founding it.."). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Non Indo-european languages?
I would appreciate seeing examples from other languages that don't originate in Europe. How about Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Guarani, Quechua, Sinhalese, Swahili, etc?
I think the English example: "A man who for years had thought he had reached the absolute limit of all possible suffering" is not a very good example because the act being described is not a single act but a state that persisted, as the quote tells us, "for years". It seems like a continuous thing rather than an occurrence. I realize that if it were being described in a continuous way it could be stated as "A man... had been thinking" but what is being described is the same in both cases, I feel.
A better example for me would be something like "I walked into the middle of the room. I had closed the door on my arrival so there was no draft". Obviously an actual quote from some well-known work would have to be found. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
"In Polish pluperfect is only found in texts written in or imitating Old Polish"
Huh? Pluperfect was still commonly used in 19th century non-historical novels, so how can you claim it imitates Old Polish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Death of pluperfect in American English
It's happening to a lesser degree in other English-speaking countries, but America seems to be leading the way. Is this worth mentioning in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)