Talk:Pretty Little Liars season 7

pll season 7 IS THE LAST SEASON

People stop Takeing out the words season 7 is the last season of pretty little liars off the season 7 wiki. just because you don't like it does not mean you can take it out its the TRUTH do your Research before you change something that someone wrote you can't be like oh I don't like or think that pll is ending after season 7 I am going to take it off UM NO do your research you dumb ass. Lucy hale has conformed that season 7 will be the last season don't believe me look it up and don't be lazy people work hard to find a shit out unlike you. NOW SOMEONE PLEASE PUT THAT SEASON 7 IS THEORY LAST SEASON OF PLL ON THE SEASON 7 WIKI BECAUSE THATS THE TRUTH. Pretty little ouat (talk) 13:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Information on Wikipedia should be supported by reliable sources especially when it is likely to be challenged. If you wish to add information to an article, you need to provide a suitable reference. If you do not know how, you can read Wikipedia:Citing sources to help you. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I DID LOOK IT UP LUCY HALE SAID IT LOOK AT HER INTERVIEW THAT IS PROOF IT CAME Out of her mouth Pretty little ouat (talk) 16:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, you need to provide a link to the source not just say someone said it. If you read the citing sources page in my first post, it will explain how to add it to the article correctly. If the article is protected beyond your user permissions then you can bring the source here and another editor will add it for you. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 16:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Recurring/Guest

Adding R/G cast doesn't work yet... We have no recurring cast until they appear five times. Also, it's very dumbly written. Dre Davis is listed in Guest Cast, while Chloe Bridges is in recurring... Scream4man (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Finale's title is stylized as "Til deAth do us pArt"

There are times where we override how a episode title appears in a source to conform to the MOS guidelines (capitalization issues, such as not capitalizing prepositions of four letters or less, for example). However, this is one of those times where the source's [1][2] stating, or stylizing, of the title takes precedence. If you notice, except for the first letter in the first word, only the letter "A" is capitalized in the finale's title ("Til deAth do us pArt"), as "A" is a significant part (character) of the show. Please respect how the writers of this episode have the title stylized, and don't correct based on the MOS. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Issue resolved via this edit, with source [3] more in line with the usual capitalization convention of titles. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Specials

Per my edit summaries, those specials have nothing to do with the season or the show's storylines. They're just interviews. Special episodes are when the story is holiday-themed, such as PLL's Halloween and Christmas. Interviews are not specials or notable to be mentioned. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 02:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

They actually do have to do with the storylines as they discuss future episodes and events to come. If you've seen these specials you'll know that they have extra footage for episodes shown as well that lead into the next episode. They're hardly interviews. Brocicle (talk) 02:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

No, they don't. It literally has to follow the storyline. Specials are considered as an episode, which may or may not have followed the current storyline (see List of Young & Hungry episodes which a one special episode that was a normal episode but didn't continue the storyline and also List of Phineas & Ferb episodes, which has had plenty of special episodes that was a normal episode with a different storyline), but is still filmed like a regular episode with a normal storyline. To talk about what events will happen is not a special and considered "interviews" as do not follow the storyline or is a regular episode but contains a different storyline. It does not contribute to the show's progression with the storyline. Showing behind-the-scenes footage, "top moments", etc. is not a special; it doesn't contribute to the storyline. If we were to follow that logic, we'd have endless specials as many shows have released videos and possibly episodes depending on the show of what happens off camera, interviewing each other, etc. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 02:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

They're credited as specials by outside sources and by the shows producers and front runners, so I would say they're specials. Brocicle (talk) 02:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Again, does it follow the storyline? Does it progress it? Is it a normal episode with a different storyline? Behind-the-scenes, interviews, etc, by Wikipedia standards, is not a special or even notable to mention. If it has nothing to do with the season or the storyline, it's not a special. By that logic, again, shows would have plenty of special episodes. It should not be included as it does nothing for the show, it does not follow the show, it's unrelated to the storyline, etc. I could go on. I understand that sources call it a special, but with Wikipedia, it's not a special. See the examples I listed. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 03:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking back, the examples I have given contain episodes that don't follow the show at all and is included in the article. Please disregard my previous message. While I seriously disagree with this, I think it should be best that these episodes be integrated with the episode list rather than have its own section to follow those articles I have. Yes or no? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 03:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm open for that. But should probably get another few editors to comment as well and see what they think also. Brocicle (talk) 03:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Content dispute over viewership data for "Playtime"

I've been watching the numbers for this episode keep changing from 1.33 (million viewers) to 2.00, then 1.33, then 2.00, etc. for about the past two weeks. (see these diffs: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] ) This is starting to get old, and one or more editors may be reported to WP:AN3 if this keeps up as this is technically edit warring (even though 3RR isn't happening). I need some explanation as to why these numbers keep going back and forth and I will ping one editor in particular behind the changes, B.Davis2003. Please explain your rationale behind the change from 1.33 to 2.00 - as I originally saw the lower number. Any other editor watching this page and seeing this topic, I'd also appreciate some feedback. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I looked at the source provided by B.Davis2003 and they were in fact mistaken. This is what is written: "The episode, which aired April 18, originally drew 1.3 million total viewers and a 0.7 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic. In Live-3, the episode rose by 54% in total viewers (2.0 million vs. 1.3 million), by 54% in Adults 18-49 (1.3 million vs. 843,000) and by 39% in viewers 12-34 (1.2 million vs. 865,000).". The 2 million viewers is from the live-3 ratings, not the actual showing of the show, which is 1.3-ish per the source provided by the user. -Callmemirela - 96.20.100.190 (talk) 16:42, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Just so I'm clear on the terminology with these viewership data, what is live-3? Obviously, I see it's not the viewership from the original showing - which are the numbers I've been accustomed to seeing in the viewership column in episode tables elsewhere. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I am not an expert on this either, so I found a source to explain this: "The Live+3 ratings measure live viewing plus DVR viewing up to three days later. The networks often put these numbers out in press releases within a week of the airdate. The Live+7 ratings measure live viewing plus DVR viewing up to seven days later." -Callmemirela - 96.20.100.190 (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Yep. These days there are a zillion different ratings metrics (far different than 20 years ago, when there were just 1 or 2!!). There's LIVE, LIVE+SAME DAY, LIVE+3 and LIVE+7. The last three all involve adding "live" viewers together with anyone who later views the show on things like DVR or OnDemand. Tradition at the TV episode list articles has been to generally only list LIVE or LIVE+SAME DAY ratings – the ratings tables at the main TV series articles will sometimes list LIVE and LIVE+3 (I think) from what I've seen... In any case, we should stick to just LIVE ratings unless there is consensus to switch something else (and if so, anything other than LIVE ratings should be noted in the table). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Callmemirela and IJBall. I have decided to restore the LIVE numbers for that episode, pending further discussion, and made clear in my edit summary for B.Davis2003 to participate here. [13] They should've already received my ping from my original post. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Episode summaries

Why have all the episode summaries been removed? Brocicle (talk) 10:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

For some reason, the pages have been swapped around. The ep summaries are now on the "list of episodes" page. This is an issue that is across all of Wikipedia right now. B.Davis2003 (talk) 11:14, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@B.Davis2003: Technical stuff involving tweaking at least one template used in episode tables ... more at Talk:List of The Americans episodes § Episode summaries here. I also had brought up the issue at WT:TV. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, that would make sense. Thanks for filling me in! Brocicle (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Addition of Keegan Allen (or other non-main cast members) to infobox or main cast

Appears it's time to remind editors of edits to the cast list in the infobox (in this season article as well as the parent article) and who belongs there, as this seems to be a chronic problem, especially with IP edits. To my knowledge, Keegan Allen has never been credited as a main cast member (if someone can confirm this, please do, as I'm not a regular PLL watcher). Only actors/actresses billed as being in the main cast are to be listed in the infobox and also the appropriate section under the cast or characters list. An actor/actress who is not billed as such (recurring cast, guest stars, etc.), even if they appear in (nearly) every episode, doesn't belong in the infobox or main cast lists unless/until their billing changes to reflect that they've been upgraded to the main cast. Simple as that. Also see WP:TVCAST and the starring parameter instructions at Template:Infobox television or Template:Infobox television season. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

No, Keegan Allen has never been "main cast" credited throughout the show's run. Neither has, for example, Lindsey Shaw. So none of these should be included in the (main cast) cast list. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Possible edit warring concerning the move of two actors/characters to the recurring list

I've been seeing an edit like this [14] countless times in recent weeks, moving Lesley Fera and Brendan Robinson to the recurring cast list, only for other editors to move it back to the guest cast list, with the claim that they have not appeared in enough episodes during the season to qualify as recurring, which is five. This has been going on for about a month now! As I don't really watch the show but I do see edits made here, I have no idea whether they have qualified to be recurring, but there is clearly a dispute and editors may be singled out for edit warring if this continues. So, how many episodes have these two actors appeared in this season? - is the obvious question. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Three each, they belong in guest cast until 5 appearances Brocicle (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Each character has appeared in more than 5 episodes this season! For some reason users are getting confused with the seperation of the seasons between A and B. Since 2016 to present, both actors have appearing in over 5 episodes! I would know as I watch the show each week! B.Davis2003 (talk) 05:56, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

As do I and they've appeared in 3 each. Brocicle (talk) 06:12, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

OMG, no they haven't! They've appeared in more than 5 each! B.Davis2003 (talk) 12:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

If you're so sure, B.Davis2003, please name the episodes in season 7 they have been in. And Brocicle, B.Davis brings up the A and B parts of the season; I'm thinking your count covers the entire season, both A and B, right? MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I have access to the most recent five episodes (from "Hold Your Piece" to "Driving Miss Crazy") and managed to verify thru the credits that Fera is in "Driving Miss Crazy" and Robinson is in "Hold Your Piece" and "The Glove That Rocks the Cradle". So one for Fera and two for Robinson; before that, I don't know. IMDb (unreliable source) mentions Fera in "Power Play" but she is uncredited in that episode. In addition, IMDb has her in "Playtime" and "These Boots are Made for Stalking", so even if we were to go by that, it's still not enough to qualify for recurring. As for Robinson, IMDb reports "Bedlam" as the only other season 7 episode he was in, which again means he hasn't been in enough episodes to be considered recurring. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I count the season as a whole, not A and B. 3 episodes each where they are credited. Brocicle (talk) 05:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)