Talk:Professional wrestling match types/Archive 1

footnote #89 is wrong, is goes to WCW 1998 Great American bash, but the date on next to the footnote says 1988.(Vinnyxvincent (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

"This is a one fall match where three wrestlers fight instead of two. The winner of this match is the first wrestler to get a pin fall or submission. What happens in the case of a disqualification is not clear (I've never seen it happen)."

In the event of a disqualification or count-out the match continues with only two legal competitors.

Some missing match types:

Triple Cage
Bra and Panties/Tuxedo
Elmination Chamber
Survivor Series

Um are these all real? Some look they come from the fictional world of video gamedom. --戴&#30505sv 06:01, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)

Triple Cage was done by WCW. Hogan & Savage vs. 8 Men as I recall.
Bra & Panties - done several times by WWE. Tuxedo was done once in a Lilian Garcia/Howard Finkel match
Elimination Chamber...done 3 times by WWE.
Survivor Series - give me a break.

I have also added to the death match type area the Electrified Pool Barbed Wire Rope match. It was fought in FMW during 1992. I have video proof on my computer also if anyone wants conformation. The participants were Gladiator, Mr. Pogo & Hideki Hosaka vs. Gannosuke, Onita & Niyama.

The three-tiered cage was most recently used in 2000 as part of "War Games: Russo's Revenge," a match held on Monday Nitro. It was most famously used at Slamboree 2000 in a World Heavyweight Championship match between David Arquette, Diamond Dallas Page, and Jeff Jarrett. So in other words, yeah, it's been used. Jeff Silvers 21:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Tuxedo Match has been done a lot more than "one time", it was a staple of managerial feuds in the 80s and is where the Bra & Panties match came from. It deserves to be in there, if not the actual name of the entry. Bdve 02:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that measurements quoted by announcers (such as "20 feet high") are usually overstated for dramatic effect. Don't take them at face value.

I'll start pages listing throws, holds, etc. soon. --gwalla

Cleanup

I added a cleanup notice. There's just too many matches under the first main heading. They should be divided into types of matches - submission, hardcore, special stipulation, etc.

I also deleted some "fake" match types. The "David Kara" matchtype was probably fake - for one thing, the only search results Google came up with were two - both link to content from this page. If anyone has evidence on the "School House" one, post it here. --Jtalledo 23:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The only shool house match i can think of is the one between Tommy Dreamer and Chris Nowinski, this saw them fight in a school house room (blackboard, school desks, school chairs and such) but they didnt have to find anything because Dreamer won by pin fall

A lot of these seem redundant. There's several versions of matches that are "no disqualification with gimmick", "strip your opponent", or "get the item to win" with a slightly different gimmick. A lot of them were done only as one-time gimmicks that failed, cheesecake matches involving sub-par women wrestlers with large breasts, or matches that only made sense in context ("I respect you" was only done to put Brian Pillman over. There wasn't even really a match there. It certainly doesn't deserve it's own category, at best it should be a footnote under "I Quit"). A lot of these matches, though, did happen at one time or another. Pro Wresting has never been one to shy away from a bad idea. --UsaSatsui 09:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Refactor

I've just done a bit of cleanup, but this article is in desperate need of a refactor. The list is enormous, and other than the separation into singles, tag, and "extreme" categories there is almost no order to any of it.

I think we should separate multiple-man melees from the regular singles matches, and also separate stipulations on consequences (such as "I Quit"), which can be applied to basically any sort of rule set, from matches with different rules (such as "no DQ" or "ladder match"). And alphabetize everything within those categories. We can probably also consolidate some match types: "I Quit" and Retirement are almost identical, and the Royal Rumble is just a variant of the classic Battle Royale. — Gwalla | Talk 05:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Giving this a little bit more thought, I think the article has grown to the point where it can't be easily maintained. How about we split off List of professional wrestling tag team match types and List of professional wrestling melee match types, moving this to List of professional wrestling singles match types, and create a new article Stipulation (professional wrestling) for the stipulations like "I Quit"? Or maybe "list of varieties of..." would be better than "...types", which sounds a little too informal. — Gwalla | Talk 02:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than splitting off a list of tag team match types, perhaps merging them into tag team would be more useful? — Gwalla | Talk 03:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious matches

Some of the matches in here I've never ever heard of, do not cite any actual uses of the terms, and generally seem of dubious veracity. These include the Bar Room Brawl, Dutchess [sic] of Queensberry Rules Match, Good Housekeeping Match, Jailhouse Match, Junkyard Scrap, and White Castle of Fear Match (says it's just a leather strap match, but where does that name come from?). Match types, like everything in Wikipedia, need to be verifiable. Unless we get some cited instances of these match types in actual use (not your favorite e-fed) soon, I'm going to start deleting them.

Most of the "extreme variations" (I still don't like that division) also need cites, as anyone can come up with a 10,000,000 Thumbtack Barbwire Poisoned Katana C4 Ninja Star Elimination Match or whatever. — Gwalla | Talk 03:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can back up my additions-

Bar Room Brawl was on July 27, 2003 at Vengeance, including the APA and a few jobbers.
Duchess of Queensberry match was at a WWF PPV in 2001 between Chris Jericho and William Regal at Backlash on April 28, 2001.
Jailhouse Match was in the WWF between the Mountie and Big Bossman on August 26, 1991 at Summerslam
White Castle of Fear match was a heavily promoted Vader / Sting match in WCW at SuperBrawl 3 on February 21, 1993
Cry Baby match was at In Your House 6 on February 18, 1996.

I don't know about the junkyard match. That one might be fake. The same goes for some of the "extreme variations".

McPhail 23:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen a Lucha en Juala Electrificada match before, it was Chessman and Charly Manson vs. Electro Shock and El Zorro. I think I actually wrote a review for that episode... --Darren Jowalsen 02:31, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

The Junkyard match was held as part of WCW's Bash at the Beach 1999, though it was referred to as the "Junkyard Invitational" match, not the "Junkyard Scrap" match. I'll make that correction. Also, the "Good Housekeeping" match was held at WWF No Mercy 1999, between Chyna and Jeff Jarrett. --HBK 16:53, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

The C4 match was used in Japan involving mick foley

Splitting and renaming this article

This article has gotten to be almost unmanageably large. It's time to consider breakouts.

I suggest we break this into separate list articles for singles/three-man matches and melee matches; perhaps the three-man matches (handicap, triple threat, three way dance) should get their own article. Tag team match types should be merged into tag team. Hardcore matches and deathmatches should be merged into hardcore wrestling, as well as any "extreme variations" that we can find citations for. Stipulations (such as "I Quit" and the Luchas de Apuestas) should be broken out into stipulation (professional wrestling). Perhaps cage matches and their variants should be broken out and cage match turned from a redirect into an actual article.

At the very least we need to move this article, as it goes against general article naming conventions. I suggest List of professional wrestling match types or possibly List of types of professional wrestling matches. If we go with the split proposed above, the new title should specify singles matches.

I'm going to start things off by breaking out the tag team matches and adding them to tag team. — Gwalla | Talk 23:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Barbed Wire Steel Cage Match

I found out that this match type is found in two different sections of this article at:

[1]
[2]

Where should it be placed? - User:Scorpion

In hardcore wrestling with the other hardcore match types. ;) — Gwalla | Talk 02:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So, does it belong in two sections or one section? - User:Scorpion

One section, I'd say. Maybe a "see:" link in the other. — Gwalla | Talk 02:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Offload to Foreign object

As Foreign object is an article on foreign objects in wrestling, perhaps more info on matches involving foreign objects should be placed in that article as well. kelvSYC 05:59, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Match grouping

"You're Fired", "Retirement" and "Pink Slip" should be grouped together. In addition, Clockwork Orange House of Fun should be grouped together with the foreign-objects matches, not extreme matches. --Kitch 16:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article is way too long. We should split it, like tag matches have been split already. Perhaps the sections could be "Singles matches", "Multiple person matches", and "Hardcore matches and extreme matches". The question is can "Item on a pole" be considered hardcore, or should they be listed under singles/etc. Many items require rewriting aswell.

↪Lakes 17:34, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this should be made into seperate articles and I think that more match types should have their own articles Petergm 22:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elimination Chamber match

I request that the Elimination Chamber match be added. It is unique and noteworthy.

It has its own article. See Elimination Chamber. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

and it should remain as a seperate article, because it is VERY unique. Diivoo 19:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not. It's a stagger start elimination rules cage match.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it should remain a seperate article and the tables with the entrances and eliminations should be included,it is so unique there have only bin five Johnnycash316 (talk · contribs)

That there have only been five is not a reason it deserves an article. There is certainly no reason for the tables and writesups to appear anywhere but the show results page.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 23:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The elimination chamber used to be a feature article,great,had a lot of detail,showed exactly what happend,trivia,everything you needed to know,then i chek it out and its a (offensive comment removed) stub becouse sir merg-a-lot wants all of wiki to be 1 article.Cash is right,it is so uniqe theres only been 5,thats right 5,1 more than 4,1 less than 6,15 divided by 3,you get it.it is the royal rumble,surviver series, and war games all in one(and in case you didnt notic,they all have ther own pages).in short it should be returned to its former,feature statas(with the tables),its not like ciberspace can't handle an article on the ellimination chamber article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 (talk) 01:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was never a featured article. It was nominated once and failed. DrWarpMind 00:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

War Games info

War Games was created AND made famous in The Great American Bash in 1987, and were great in the WrestleWar eras (1991-1992), but Fall Brawl is where it jumped the shark at this point.

WarGames Match article needs a good clean up --- Paulley 15:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

I feel that each match here should have a SMALL picture beside it, showing the reader a in depth view of what happens in the match. Most people would think it will clog it up, but if it is a small picture I believe it will make the Wiki better.

There used to be a few here, but they turned out to copyright violations. I think we can find some preferably free pictures later, but we should concentrate on reorganizing this list first. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me, whatever is good with you.

--Terry3k (talk) 24:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Notability criteria for inclusion

I propose that to minimize the junk on this page, that only matches fitting some notability criteria should be included. They include:

The match type has happened on more than one occasion, with a reasonable mix of wrestlers throughout their history. This, for example, eliminates unique one-off feud blowouts, or one-time tournaments.
The match is the signature match of a particular wrestler (eg. Seregentti Survival to Monty Brown, etc.)
The match type occured in a top-tier wrestling promotion, as defined by whatever authoritative sources we have (ie. a type specific to a local wrestling promotion should not be included, while a WWE match should).
The match should either be very commonplace (one fall, Bra and Panties), logistically difficult in terms of setup (Hell in a Cell, Elimination Chamber), physically demanding (Iron Man, Submission), or marketed in a different manner (TLC, Ultimate X)

Minor variations to standard matches should be included only if they are either a logical extension of the original format (eg. pin only is notable as it is a minor variation to a one-fall), or is notable under the above criteria for different reasons. Notable euphemisms for certain match types (ECW Rules for Hardcoare matches, etc.) should also be included.

If at all, specific dates should not be mentioned, as we are trying to explain how the match would work in general.

Any comments on the above?

kelvSYC 05:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some clean up moved a few matches to thier own articles and removed any examples of a match the have no baring on the match type itself... hope that helps --- Paulley 17:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To reduce the length of the page, we should also adopt that matches that differ in only minor non-wrestling aspects should be considered identical, and should be listed with the more common type of match. Thus, while "No Disqualification" and "Hardcore" remain distinct (due to match flow), we shouldn't list oval cages ("Rage in a Cage") being separate from square cages ("Steel Cage Match") as the only difference is in the shape of the cages. We should not have separate entries for minor variations of the main category of matches, such as "Chair Match" or "Submission Match". kelvSYC 21:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament Section

Why was the Tournament Section Removed?

see Professional wrestling tournament --- Paulley 13:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Current cleanup(matches I think should go)

Matches mentioned more than once under different names: Ambulance Match / Casket Match / Dumpster Match / Last Ride Match
(All pretty much the same thing, just with a different container. Changing the subsection just to "Container match" and giving the difference would make things easier to read.) Short Leash/Bull Rope
(Exact same thing.)

These matches only happened once and probably won't happen again:
Blood Bath Match
Empty Arena Match
Hangman's Horror Match
"Over the Top, Off with the Top" Match
Special Outside Referee
Jailhouse Match
Kiss My Foot Match
Junkyard Invitational
King of the Road Match
Hog Pen Match
Lion's Den Match
Final Wars Brawl
Football Classic Match
10,000 thumbtacks death match
2/3 Lightube Logcabin Deathmatch
Brimstone Match
Chamber of Horrors
Electric Pool Match
(Don't know what to do with these. Notable ones could be mentioned on the competitors specific pages, non notable ones just mentioned in passing, but they don't need subsections.)

they've already been made leave them, what's wrong with more informationPetergm 23:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong is the page in a pain to try to read and sift through. Bdve 23:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the issue with having too much cruft. A one-time match with unique rules by an obscure promotion is not by itself notable for inclusion. There has to be something with the match, such as its execution, competitors, surrounding storyline, etc. that must accompany it.

Matches only used for one specific wrestler:
Casket Match
King Of The Mountain Match
Serengeti Survival Match
(I propose such matches be mentioned on the specific wrestlers page.)

Matches that just don't sound right:
Silver Dollar Match
Taped Fist Match
Bdve 03:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

Learn how to use Wiki markup. Your comments are not readable without it.
The Lion's Den match is particularly notable as it was used by wrestlers with big MMA backgrounds (Ken Shamrock as an example) as it "simulates" MMA under pro wrestling. However, seeing the name of the match seems like it's a Ken Shamrock specialty.
KOTM is a TNA specialty. As a matter of fact, it has been contested on more than one occasion in TNA with different wrestlers. To say KOTM is a wrestler-specific is to say that TLC is specific to E&C, Hardyz, and Dudleyz.
I question most of the extreme variations, but I am not an expert in the independent circuit and the specializations of particular promotions.
SOR is "celebrity valet", so it's not a match type in itself (neither is special guest referee, but it is significant to have its section).

kelvSYC 00:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, whatever on the comments. I don't see how the lists could be hard to read. Bulleting it was doing more harm than good and I didn't expect someone to edit in the middle of it.

Moving past that;

I'm not a big fan of TNA and I've honestly only heard of one King Of The Mountain match, so that's just my bad.
I've never seen another Lions Den match other than Shamrocks while he was in the WWE either. I'd gladly strike my objection to it, but I'd just never seen it before.
I take back my objection to the "Special Outside Ref", I can actually think of a couple and not always with celebrities.

For what it's worth, that's why I posted my thoughts here and then brought it up on the project page before I did anything.

Bdve 02:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We should kill any match that has only been done more than once or twice. This should be a page about the general types of matches, not a list of of every match type that has taken place. (see WP:NOT). I took out the Silver Dollar match, as that seems to be a one time thing at a WCW PPV.--Toffile 01:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I should note that this shouldn't have matches that are only in one promotion. Totally unnecessary, and if someone feels strongly enough, mention it in the article on that promotion.--Toffile 01:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestions on elimination

Here is a list of matches I propose eliminating from the article. The criteria is fairly simple. It should be a match that is seen with some regularity, and should be used in multiple promotions. (Only exception is that if it was in a major promotion such as WWF, TNA, or WCW as well as ECW). If it was clearly a variation of another match (We have entries on both a tables match and a double tables...) I suggested we should list it under that match. This is really just an initial trim, the serious reorg and trimming can come after this.

Definitely eliminated

Blood Bath Match-It notes that Gangrel and the brood made these famous...hasn't been seen in years.
Canadian Rules Match - Is this really needed? Just a giant catch all category for matches that share a similar plot.
~~Double Jeopardy Match - Two matches in one ring.Outside of ECW it looks like it's only in some minor promotions.~~
Finisher Match-Can't seem to find much of this match anywhere, other than in general match-type reference list. (The only time I could find a reference was for a small indy promo).
~~"Over the Top, Off with the Top" Match - Has happened once or twice, not really a common match.~~
Serengeti Survival Match - One time match
Arm Wrestling Match - I really think this is unnecessary, it's a arm-wrestling match. Uncommon.
Sumo Match - Rare match
~~Jailhouse Match-It's a uncommon match (if not rare), I can only find one record of it. Mention it in the kayfabe bios, if needed.~~
~~Kiss My Foot Match-No. Just no.~~
~~Junkyard Invitational-One time match.~~
~~King of the Road Match-One time match.~~
Rage in a Cage - It's an old AWA event, and of all things it's a cage match with a different shape cage than normal.
Final Wars Brawl-This seems to be almost the same thing as War Games. I also really can't find much record of this sort of match happening
Football Classic Match -This hasn't happened in a long time and only a few times (if that), I really see no reason to keep it.
10,000 thumbtacks death match-It is a match with thumbtacks. It is no more special than a normal hardcore match.
Barefoot Thumbtack Match-It is a match with thumbtacks. It is no more special than a normal hardcore match.
Beds of (Objects) Death Match -Seriously, it's a hardcore match that starts with the ring covered in weapons.
Clockwork Orange House of Fun Match -This is mentioned twice. See "Hangman's Horror".
Electric Pool Match - It was used once, as it says.

Should be merged

~~Double Tables Match-Variant of a tables match, doesn't require it's own section~~
Flag Match -Seems very smimlar to a strap match. I'd mention it as a variant in that section, personally.
Empty Arena Match-One time match, just mention it for Foley and Rocky if needed.
Hangman's Horror Match-Match that occured once or twice. Credit it over on Raven's page, not here.
Short Leash Match-It's a variant on the strap match, without having to touch the corners.
~~24/7- Mention this on the WWE Hardcore title page, not here. It's not a match type, it's a belt stipulation.~~
Sadistic Madness-Variation on the First Blood match...no need for it's own article.
Bar Room Brawl-It's only real claim is that it's in the WWE video games, and it probably won't ever be held because there's no more APA. (Mention it in them though)
Boiler Room Brawl- How many were there? 2? Just mention their significance in Foley's article.
Doomsday Cage Match -It's a variation of the triple cage concept...
~~King Of The Mountain Match -One time, I suggest keeping it on Jarrett's page.~~
2/3 Lightube Logcabin Deathmatch - Merge it with the article on CZW.
200 light tubes death match-Merge it with the article on CZW.
Cage of Death-Merge it with the article on CZW.
Lucha en Jaula Electrificada - Cage variant
Shattered Dreams Match -Merge it with the article on CZW.
Chamber of Horrors-Put it on the Halloween Havoc page.

Should be discussed

Beat the Clock Match- I would get rid of this, as the only prupose seems to be for NYR. If the WWE continues to use it as a way of setting things up, then it should keep it's own spot. Until then, mention it in the Elimination Chamber article.
Barbed Wire Massacre -Barbed wire ropes match. Probably should be noted somewhere.
Brimstone Match - This seems to be pretty similar to an Inferno match, to be honest. I'd suggest a merge, but I'd get some discussion
Relay Match - Seems to be something of a rarity, I've never really heard about this, so...

~~Container-based Variations'~~

I suggest we just kill all the subsections of this. The introduction gives the rules for just about each match, the only difference being in the "container". I think a small list of different containers would be good, however the Hog-Pen should not be mentioned, since it's happened all of once.

In fact even more disturbing, I discovered that most of this article is a copyvio of this [3] article from answers.com. If I seem a bit biased against deathmatch wrestling...honestly I really can't see much to list here. It's a niche, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Just link the Deathmatch wrestling here.--Toffile 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) And as a note, this will collapse this article from being around 80 different types of matches to around 30 types if all suggestions are implemented.--Toffile 03:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, but the Answers.com page you linked to lists as its sole cite... Wikipedia. They copied from us, not the other way around. At any rate, I do applaud the cleanup effort. --HBK|Talk 04:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I really hadn't noticed that. I think the page's worse flaw is that we're allowing "notable" matches in, even if they were done once. The problem is that using it, is that it's a subjective word. What I think is notable and non-notable, is not always the case. For example, the Empty Arena match is fairly notable as being entertaining (at least to me). However, the Junkyard Invitational is notable as wrestlecrap (to many people, not just me). I don't think we should list both, as they are not common types of matches. They were a one-time deal, that if really necessary, should be mentioned some other article. Hopefully we can get some more discussion going here. (Sorry if I veered off on a tangent.)--Toffile 04:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll object to the finisher match, as it has been used on numerous occasions, and it has a notable list of variations. For example, Mark Henry once challenged Viscera in a gorilla slam match (granted it was stupid in the sense that Henry allowed Viscera to win by sitting on the top turnbuckle). Billy Gunn also won a finisher match in the WWE when he used the Fameasser, and so on. As for the others:

Canadian rules - I'd find a better name for it, but it's definitely signifigant in terms of match flow.
Arm wrestling - it's a cliche in pro wrestling that the rules are "enforced" more often, as the ref is able to catch the heel cheating more often.
Beat the Clock - although it's only notability is in NYR, it's a general format applicable as a lead-in to any big match.

Much of the hardcore variations may be moved to hardcore wrestling, although a rewrite of that may probably be needed. kelvSYC 17:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matches that haven't taken place for a long time should be mentioned in some capacity for posterity if nothing else. What you should really focus on doing with this page is removing all match types that are simply an existing match with a different name and a slight twist. They should still be listed in the text, just not under a separate heading. For example, there could be a moderately detailed paragraph on the ladder match and then a sub-paragraph stating "a variant of this match where... is known as the 'xxx match'." The problems on this page are mostly due to uneccessary replication of information, not the improper inclusion of information. Deleting match types simply because "there weren't very many" is not a good idea, because matches that only happen infrequently are the matches that are least likely to receive coverage in a less comprehensive information repository. McPhail 19:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

McPhail. I'm trying to do eliminate. (For example, I moved King of the Mountain to Ladder Match, since it's essentiallly a reverse ladder match.) There are some old ones that I agree should be kept like War Games, but I really can't see keeping the Junkyard Invitational. Personally I think there should probably be two lists, one for common match types, and one for notable match types. However, there isn't so I'm trying to keep balance between the two types.--Toffile 14:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KelvSYC, most of the last section is all deathmatch wrestling. I think they should be removed from the article, as no matter how you slice it, DM wrestling is nothing more than a niche, and to most people it's not common, nor is it especially notable. I agree that the information should probably get preserved in some way.--Toffile 14:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move it to Hardcore wrestling? There's already a section on deathmatches there, the whole section could be lifted from here and dropped somewhere in there. Deathmatches (of this variety anyway) tend to be done in "Hardcore" crowds. But this article should still mention the regular style (Texas) Deathmatch then link over to that one as "More extreme variants". --Bdve 18:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree that you should move deathmatches to hardcore wrestling, but don't delete them only because you dont like them, on a side note the swiming pool match was done twice in fmw.

Burn Brawl

Is this thing legit? Google turns up nothing, none of the usual places have it listed as anything...If no one objects I'm just gonna trash it -Bdve 21:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its obviously fake, read the story about the Luchadores... -Terry 4k

Ironman

where is the ironman match? i think it should be added as the most controversial moment in wretling history happened in one,and while it is not too common,it is not rare either. i would do it if i knew enough... Lord revan 15:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here Bdve 00:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brimstone Match

Did a brimstone match ever really happen anywhere? The only reference to it I can find is the fact that it was included in an ECW video game.MattSutton1 19:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GoneBdve 17:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They tried to do a brimstone match but health and safety refused. it wasnt actually lava that was supposed to be on the floor but fire. this was Paul Heyman's attempt at the first Inferno match, then Vince stole the idea and tweeked it so he could use it legally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

64.149.54.40

What is this person doing? They seem to be rearanging things and putting matches in weird places. Care to explain? I really want to revert it all. Bdve 01:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reorg Template

Removing reorg template. This tag is intended as a courtesy to editors actively maintaining the page over a span of minutes/hours. Leaving it on for over 6 months (!) and hundreds of edits is discouraging to others who may want to edit but may hold back. Big changes should always be discussed on talk, and we do have revert tools if there are massive problems. Please don't replace this tag for long periods. -- cmh 22:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2/3 falls

Should this be given a section and write up? It's mentioned in passing somewhere but that's it for now. Just an idea.Bdve 02:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganizing this page

This page is quite a mess. There is a HUGE list and a mishmash of "real/common" match types and bizarre one-off match types. Furthermore, all the Tag Team variations are in the Tag Team entry. I think each main section should basically have its own entry, where some can be combined to give the following:

Singles Matches
Non-wrestling Matches
Weapon-based Matches
Enclosure-based Matches
Team matches
Multi-Competitor Matches
Hardcore/Extreme Matches
List of Pro Wrestling Match Stipulations

If I get some time, I'll mock up the page and see if it can be better organized...

Davetron5000 12:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there are problems with the page. However, the section headings need to be better. Surely "Hardcore/Extreme Matches" could also be variations of singles matches (possibly). Also, further problems arise with matches such as the Bra and Panties Gaunlet match. Surely it should not be given its own setion, it is two types of speciality match combined. Anyway, I personally believe that the best way to clean up this article woulld be to use a more tabular method; for each entry it should say 1. how the match differs from the normal match, and 2. how the competitors win the match.13756 15:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps outlining the basic types of matches (which I define to be "singles", "tag team", "battle royal", "steel cage" and "ladder". Maybe an additional "misc"?), with common variants (e.g. 3-way dance, 6-man tag). Then perhaps a section on stipulations (e.g. first blood, falls count anywhere, weapon on a pole), with each stipulation listing specific instances of matches of that type. In my mind somethingn like a "Boiler Room Brawl" isn't a match type, but more of a specific match of the type "singles matche" with the stipulations "falls count anywhere" and "takes place outside ring". Davetron5000 13:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I agree, apart from a Boiler Room Brawl should come under "Matches started outside of a ring" instead of "takes place outside ring" (because, theoretically, these type of matches could, and often do, end up in the ring). So, a Boiler Room Brawl, for example, would be a "Falls count anywhere" and one of the "Matches started outside of a ring".13756 19:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FMW speciality matches (anus explosion match)

Since someone went to a whole lot of trouble to try and keep this off the page, its worth some explanation I guess. Its notiable because its so weird, it did happen (though its almost treated as urban legend) and enough people have heard rumors about it that it deserves to be mentioned somewhere. Its as notaible as descriptions of guys rolling around in glass.

If you search for the term on google, you can still find references to this type of match. 64.12.116.11 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have it on DVD :) 86.144.38.249 08:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Boot Camp Match

I can't find that this match type is mentioned on this page. However, a reference is made to it on WWE.com: (Regarding Sgt. Slaughter), "including a vicious series of Boot Camp and Steel Cage matches with his rival, the Iron Sheik in the early 1980s.". Does anybody know anything about this match? *Sam* 17:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)*Sam*[reply]

- Sgt Slaughter and Col DeBeers had a bootcamp match at AWA's Superclash III. I just watched part of it on WWE 24/7 On Demand. Basically, they got to wear anything to the ring and use any weapons they wanted to use - it was essentially a street fight, although the match didn't seem to live up to the hype. I turned it off after a bit. Khal 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Boot Camp" is a synonym, usually, street fight of some kind. It's been a regular old hardcore match "street fight", a "come as you are" (regular clothes) street fight and a street fight where participants wear BDUs of some kind (or just camo clothes). I can vouch for it meaning all three of those at different times. If you want to add it it would probably be best mentioned under the hardcore/street fight section. Unless, of course, someone else knows of a streak when Slaughter was having them when they all had the same rules. Bdve 18:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Fans Bring The Weapons match is not mentioned, (as far as I can see). *Sam* 17:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)*Sam*[reply]

Sgt Slaughter faced Triple H on a Raw episode in a Boot Camp Match. Its basically a street fight where only camouflaged weapons can be used. Chyna interefered throwing powder in the eyes of Slaughter and then Triple H took advantage and delivered a Pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ECW fans bring the weapons match would probably be worthy of a subsection there or on the Hardcore wrestling page.Bdve 18:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tables Match

There is an independent stub article explaining a Tables Match. It has been marked for merge. - NickSentowski 16:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There was nothing there that wasn't here already. Redirected.-- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 16:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article states that the Dudley Boys brought Table matches to Japan. That is not true, as the match type was taken from Japan & used by Sabu (and the Public Enemy) in ECW before the Dudley's even existed.

Strip matches

User Bdve (talk · contribs) reverted some changes I made to the strip matches section. I put the bra and panties match and evening gown into their own sections, better clarifying each. I also made a mention of the kimono match, which he said was irrelevant...but in an article whose soul purpose is to list and define "professional wrestling match types" I see no reason why it shouldn't be at least mentioned and explained (in one sentence) what it is, as it is a variation on the overall strip match.

In addition, the way the section read before I made the changes was confusing, putting the bra and panties match before the tuxedo match, but mentioning it and the evening gown match (which wasn't even mentioned elsewhere) in its description. On top of all this, the language was just plain pedestrian, especially for an article that is supposed to be encyclopædic.

Now, 67.70.131.23 (talk · contribs) has deleted the entire bra and panties match section, leaving only the tuxedo match, which I think there is no question as to it making the section incomplete.

Before I put all the changes back I would like to hear what everyone else thinks... --JohnDoe0007 18:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm making quite the overhaul to this article at this present time, my changes are at User:kelvSYC/Professional wrestling match types. Hopefully it would cut the number of matches down to maybe 10 or 12. See it and comment on it. As for this issue, the B&P match is notable and the change by the IP should be reverted. Futhermore, WP:PW clearly defines what is notable for inclusion into this article, and for the strip match, we've agreed that a minor variation in the clothing used is not notable by itself. kelvSYC 04:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

House of Fun Match

I just added a section on TNA's match "House of Fun." I've been meaning to for a while just like I did the Hard Ten match, but seeing it return on the August 9, 2007 episode of Impact motivated me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs)

And I deleted it because it was already listed. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes, like this: ~~~~.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rename to "Professional wrestling match types list" ?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Well it's pretty much a list, so I suggest a rename to a list. Govvy 13:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. -- NickSentowski 15:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think "List of professional wrestling match types" sounds better? I'll agree if we change it to that. Nikki311 22:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually think the current name is fine. Most of the wrestling moves article and match type articles were moved to their current locations, for the better IMO. TJ Spyke 08:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Professional wrestling match types to List of professional wrestling match types as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unlucky 13

Who took out "unlucky 13"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.82.251 (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tables, Ladders, and Cervezas

Should there be a mention of WSX's Tables, Ladders, and Cervezas varation of the Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match and shoud it be listed under Tables, Ladders, and Chairs? Gibsonj338 07:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno, WSX is dead and doesn't look to be coming back so it'd be a one-off match, but a one off national match. I guess add it with a cite if you can, I never did see it, WSX editing gave me a headache.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 12:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

This might just be me, but I find the introduction to this article incredibly pretentious. It doesn't seem like a good way to start an encyclopedic article. I doubt professional wrestling can really be considered as performance art.Skios 21:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not performance art, what is it? If you can do better, do better.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest if you have that much of a problem with the wording you take it up with the pro wrestling wiki project.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

-Oppose-becuase this match is unique and deserves a seperate article due to its long history.--TrUcO9311 23:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which match type are you referring to? DrWarpMind 00:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I offer this blanket statement for the proposed mergers: Unless a match type is so convoluted or storied that the separate article has more than a match list/history and/or trivia the separate article is not needed. For example, if you take out the tables of listcruft in the Ladder match article it's literally two paragraphs and then links to other articles, why can't that be moved here?«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge All - I agree with all the currently proposed mergers as there is not much to the pages beyond history lists and a bit of description. There are others that should be merged in as well, particularly Thundercage as there is not much there. DrWarpMind 02:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merga all - as nominator of most«»bd(^talk _stalk) 03:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't Merge Any - There is enough space for match types with enough info to have it's own article. Especially one like Hell In a Cell.--Monnitewars ^(talk) 03:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on the match type. For things like the Punjabi Prison match or Xscape Match, I agree. However, I think both the Steel Cage match (which for some reason was merged) and the Ladder match are more than notable enough to have their own articles. So I think Steel cage match should be de-merged (and I don't recall a merge suggestion being mentione at WP:PW). TJ Spyke 04:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- They sat in the top box for a while before someone took the initiative to do it. If you think there's enough to warrant an article on ladder matches, prove it, remove the cruft (tables of "history") and still have an article that stands on its own. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 15:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't get it what's so bad about the list of matches?--Monnitewars ^(talk) 16:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's cruft, it's unnecessary, and it looks bad. It's the only thing holding the propping the articles up. I guarantee if they were put up for review from editors who don't edit wrestling articles the first thing they'd recommend is eliminating the lists. We seriously need to mention house show tryout matches? Stampede house shows? Matches from weekly shows that went to no contest? If his was a dedicated wrestling wiki I'd be recommending the exact opposite, more details, but for wikipedia it's an indiscriminate collection of information.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Loser Leaves Town

The "Loser Leaves Town" section primarily focuses on the territorial days where wrestlers frequently moved around, which is totally accurate. The question I have is today's variation, where LLT matches are used either to advance storylines (e.g., Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan, although this was from the early 1980s when territorial wrestling was still common) or allow wrestlers to heal from legit injuries, handle real-life issues, take time off, etc. — is there a way we can verify any of that? And if so, are there other names for this (e.g., Vince McMahon's descriptive, a "YOU'RE FIRED!!!" match where the loser supposedly is fired). [[Briguy52748 15:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Someone being kayfabe fired after a match would more likely fall under a retirement stipulation, which is also included. As for the rest of the stuff you added: all matches are used to advance feuds, and I've been trying to clear the body of this article of specific examples as much as possible.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Methinks I get too excited or impatient sometimes. So you know, I was trying to be bold and get it going when I didn't get a response right away. No harm, no foul. [[Briguy52748 01:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Merge for Cages

Oppose for the Elimination Chamber and Hell in A Cell, because these matches are too unique not to have their own separate article.--TrUcO9311 00:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- This is an Encylopedia. We should be against merging long articles that are full of useful and truthful info into others; this is like asking us to merge all the wrestlemanias into 1 article. If it was up to me, all professional wrestling match types should have their own long articles. Lex⁹⁴ ^Talk ^{Contributions} ^Signatures 18:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (I already supported in an earlier topic) - These articles have little content besides a list of matches and trivia. All that would be left after removing that would be like 2 paragraphs of description, which can easily be merged. - DrWarpMind 21:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I actually think Steel cage match should be split back off too. TJ Spyke 00:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that the cage related entries should be split to their own article that also details the beginnings of the cages use (the Blassie cage), but then that article needs to have all of the cruft (match lists, results) kept out of it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gulf Of Mexico?

I missed this on ECW. Was it just a container based match? If so should it be given a special mention in that section like the other types (ambulance and casket) as it is slightly different?Black6989 (talk) 04:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Black6989[reply]

Since it only happened once it's not notable.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme Rules match

Shouldn't the ECW extreme rules match have a mention in the hardcore section. I found a brief mention in the introduction but nothing in the main article. Bam123456789 (talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme Rules is mentioned under Hardcore-based variations. There's nothing special about an ECW match.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 21:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

A move has been requested here.--TrU Co -X 18:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move it then.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 13:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gangsta's Paradise matches

I'm re-adding the Gangsta's Paradise match. It meets the general notability criteria proposed earlier on this talk page:

The match type has happened on more than one occasion, with a reasonable mix of wrestlers throughout their history. This, for example, eliminates unique one-off feud blowouts, or one-time tournaments.
- Check. At least six different Gangsta's Paradise matches have occured from 1995 to 2000, with many different participants. The first (Heat Wave 1995) was not given a special name, and one was called a Natural Born Killaz match (which was the name of The Gangsta's theme song), and another was at an untaped house show. But one of them was the main event of a pay per view, Cyberslam 99. (The WarGames listing on the Cyberslam page is incorrect)
The match is the signature match of a particular wrestler (eg. Seregentti Survival to Monty Brown, etc.)
- Check. This was a signature match of The Gangstas, both together and opposed. The Gangstas are multi-time ECW Tag Team Champions.
The match type occured in a top-tier wrestling promotion, as defined by whatever authoritative sources we have (ie. a type specific to a local wrestling promotion should not be included, while a WWE match should).
- Check. ECW is widely considered a top-tier promotion, especially once it got pay-per-view in mid-1997.
The match should either be very commonplace (one fall, Bra and Panties), logistically difficult in terms of setup (Hell in a Cell, Elimination Chamber), physically demanding (Iron Man, Submission), or marketed in a different manner (TLC, Ultimate X)
- Check. It involves a cage, was always bloody, and was either the focal point/advertised main event, or was used as Tag Team title defense, in every taped event it was held at. One of them involved a Tag Team title change.

In short, it's notable. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, doesn't make it not-notable. I've never heard of a "Three Strikes, You're Out" match, a Relay match, or a Football Classic, but I'm not going to delete them, even though each one of those three is completely unreferenced. The reason many internet sites don't list it specifically as a "Gangsta's Paradise match" is because early ECW didn't use on-screen graphics to hype their upcoming matches or display the competitors. Everything was spoken orally. This match type, combined with the Ultimate Jeopardy (War Games) matches, makes up the vast majority of the matches ECW ever had involving a cage.thr

Please remember that WWE does not encompass the whole of professional wrestling.

For reference:

Heat Wave 1995 - July 15, 1995 in Philadelphia, PA - The Gangstas beat The Public Enemy
Gangsta's Paradise - September 16, 1995 in Philadelphia, PA - Mikey Whipwreck & Public Enemy beat Sandman, Too Cold Scorpio & New Jack
Natural Born Killaz - August 24, 1996 in Philadelphia, PA - ECW World Tag Team Championship match - ECW World Tag Team Champions The Gangstas beat The Eliminators
Heatwave 97 - July 19, 1997 - ECW World Tag Team Championship match - The Gangstas beat ECW World Tag Team Champions The Dudleys
Cyberslam 1999 - April 3, 1999 in Philadelphia, PA - The Dudley Boyz & Mustafa Saed beat New Jack, Axl Rotten & Balls Mahoney

TravelingCat (talk) 21:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a cage match with weapons. Cage matches with weapons are already noted. It's not significant enough to warrant a subsection and hardly notable enough to get a mention under the cages section. Just because criteria were proposed doesn't mean they were accepted. Nowhere in the article should you find matches that are exclusive to a single person or team. If they're that important to a gimmick, it should go on that article.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 23:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]