Talk:Proposed Chicago south suburban airport

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Incredibly bad writing

A professor from 'Northwest University'? As in Northwest Airlines? Or as in Northwestern University? Sloppy, but it does serve as a warning that the details in this article are speculative and, perhaps, an instrument of those with a non-neutral and non-factual perspective.--128.135.149.78 (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article is poorly written, with no context for some of the quotes and repetitive details given without explanation. This should be junked and started over. What does this sentence mean: "Federal legislation sealed the passenger facility charges on August 2, 1990 in the 101st congress 2nd session through H.R. 5170."?

And this passage is vague and worse, legally incorrect. The views of "most local officials" have nothing to do with whether an eminent domain case can be "thrown out." (It's called separation of powers, as well as the Fifth Amendment.) "The current plan is in flux as the position of the runways are continuing to be debated.[4] Eminent domain cases are beginning to work their way through the courts. However, these cases are expected to be thrown out, as most local officials would rather see an existing airport utilized rather than buying land for an airport which may or may not be built.[citation needed]"

Name

Is there a reference for this name? The link just calls it South Suburban Airport. Obina 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why keep changing the content of this entry. The ALNAC name is a name given by a private group is is not officially the name for the airport. There is already an Abraham Lincoln Airport in Illinois why have another one. This also creates the idea that there are no other alternatives for the airport when there are currently 2 plans; one of which goes by this name and then South Suburban Airport by another. Please stop altering this entry to reflect personal initiatives (if any exist) and keep the facts straight or just delete the entry.

Proposed Merger

These two should not be merged since they deal with two separate groups. It would be unfair to those opposed to the privately owned and operated approach to allow the two descriptions to be linked together.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bdevil ps2 (talk • contribs) 22:43, April 11, 2007 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln National Airport and South Suburban Airport articles should be merged because they deal with the same subject. I don't care what the name of the article is, but only one article is needed to cover the Chicago South Suburban Airport / Third Airport / Abraham Lincoln National Airport topic. Abraham Lincoln National Airport has a lengthy historical section that seems to cover the same ground as this article covers. They are already linked together by history. Neither of the plans have been approved, and it seems that they are easily covered by the same article. Its not like I'm asking for a merger with the Midway or Gary airport articles, same topic one article. --Dual Freq 23:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merged

These two articles are the same topic, I've merged them here until an official airport name is selected IF the airport is constructed. --Dual Freq 21:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ALNAC vs. South Suburban Airport

I disagree that these two topics should be merged. The South Suburban Airport has been called several things in its 30 year history, such as Peotone Airport or 3rd Chicagoland Airport, among them. But, it wasn't until very late in the process that the name Abraham Lincoln National Airport came about.

Also, a political divide exists between the supporters of the ALNAC proposal and the SSA proposal. Therefore, I think to merge them would do a disservice to the rich history that came before Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. proposed the name, Abraham Lincoln National Airport. 75.120.170.11 (talk) 23:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The merge was completed more than 6 months ago. --Dual Freq (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed airport is the 4th Chicago Airport

Please stop referring to the proposed Peotone airport as Chicago's 3rd Airport. Gary-Chicago International Airport is the 3rd airport, this new airport will be the 4th. The Chicago Airport System (http://www.chicagoairports.com/) lists 3 airports: O'hare, Midway and Gary-Chicago. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.18.52 (talk) 21:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can call it the 5th airport since Rockford's airport is called Chicago Rockford International Airport, but most of the media refer to this as a potential 3rd airport. You can call it Chicago's 6th airport since opponents in Peotone wrote to the Chicago Tribune mentioning General Mitchell International Airport [1] as the 3rd and Mitchell tries to bill itself as Chicago's third airport as well.[2] Unfortunately, most media refer to a proposed south suburban airport as Chicago's 3rd airport, not 4th, 5th or 6th. Thank You. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updating, reflecting industry changes/O'Hare plans?

Candidly, this thing is dead, except for GA/possible cargo; IDOT says so in its latest application.^[1] I wrote "why" below; really we just need a factual update saying the project is no more than an idea at this point and won't be happening due to industry consolidation and airline commitments and expansion at ORD. (no airlines = no passengers = no money to retire bonds)

Not because of political power (or lack thereof), but industry changes that mean any airport without at least one alliance/big 3 member or a focus carrier (like Southwest) are dead, and the three have just signed off on O'Hare expansion (read: paying for it). Just like there are 4 railroads left: if you're not on their line, they're probably not going to lay tracks to you -- and abandon where they are. (And they're not paying for both.) Further, between Rockford's success with UPS and GYY's availability, no one is looking for an alternative cargo facility.

Spirit is onboard at ORD; Southwest controls Midway; Frontier... haven't heard, but you think that's gonna pay for an airport? jetBlue? Virgin's gone, and Alaska, while growing, is back n' forth to the west coast, not a national carrier; you could only fly to New York via Seattle, SFO, or LAX. And a lot of the chaos regarding the Peotone project was the symbiotic relationship it had with the O'Hare noise opponents. Clearly, they lost, and O'Hare is getting literally every single non-WN airline dollar for expansion.

Furthermore, if anyone as much as raises Peotone as a project, they will immediately be met with the example of MidAmerica St. Louis Airport. Chidino (talk) 14:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To add insult to injury, the acquiring agency was IDOT, who also had to jump through a hostile FAA's hoops for approval. Obviously, that means there has been zero progress and zero money since January 2015.. Chidino (talk) 14:58, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Financial Feasibility Report" (PDF). IDOT.

Links don't work.

Footnote #5 has a broken link. External link to "South Suburban Airport proposal" does not work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.161.79.14 (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Financial Feasibility Report" (PDF). IDOT.

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