Talk:Put (card game)

	Games portal This article is part of WikiProject Board and table games, an attempt to better organize information in articles related to board games and tabletop games. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.Board and table gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Board and table gamesTemplate:WikiProject Board and table gamesboard and table game articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

England Low‑importance

	England portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Variants

I'm not sure why Le Truc or Speculation are included as variants. Put and Truc have similarities, but there is no evidence that Truc is a variant of Put and there are significant differences. For example, Truc is a four-hand partnership game that involves signalling and verbal communication between partners. Put is a predominantly two-hand individual game with no communication at all. It is never played in partnership. If anything, Put may be descended from Truc which is much older. And if we are going to describe it, Sid Sackson is hardly a trustworthy authority on a French regional game.

Speculation is nothing like Put. Differences include: the card ranking, the presence of trumps, exchanging with the trump upcard, buying and selling of hand cards, and no tricks.

My proposal is to change the section title to "Related games"; reword the section on Truc, pointing to the main article; remove the section on Speculation (which has its own article anyway); add brief sections on other games of the Put family recorded by McLeod at pagat.com (Aluette, Vitou and Truco). Bermicourt (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Earliest record

Although the lede quotes Parlett as saying this is a 16th century game, I can find no references earlier than the 17th century. If anyone knows of any earlier sources, let me know and we can amend or confirm this.Bermicourt (talk) 08:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]