Talk:Quan fa

split content?

THis article needs to be split in two. It deals with two seperate subjects - one is a martial art called "Quan fa" that appears to be a specific modern style and the other is a term "Quan Fa" which means "fist methods" in CHinese and is a generic term for CMA. (RookZERO 19:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC))

I have removed the section for a specific martial art entitled "quan fa" as "quan fa" is a generic term and the referances to a specific art by that name are entirely unsourced and so far as I can tell, unsubstantiated. (RookZERO 02:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

To RookZERO: The source was in the information. It was linked and sourced as the Five animal art. Yet, if you found like it was "unsubstantiated". You could of simply put

{{unreferenced||article|date=October 2006}}<!-- Do not remove this notice until all facts in the article are cited properly. -->

So, what you just did was not only vandalism but destruction of valuable information. You are reported.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ShinFuYux (talk • contribs) }

May I suggest the article be split into on on the general term & one on the art, e.g. Quan fa (term) and Quan fa (Martial art), with this being a disambiguation page. This removes any confusion.--Nate 08:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

"The source was in the information" - where? I see no source for it, and it has been there, unsourced, for a fairly long time now. Unless you have a credible source that substantiates your ravings and place it in the relavent article, that information does not belong on wikipedia. If you do have a credible source than you should create a seperate new article to describe a specific martial art called "quan fa" as per nate1481's suggestion. (RookZERO 19:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC))

Is it so hard to look at the References section?(ShinFuYux 18:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC))

Can someone split this article? Right now it covers two different subjects. (The links still hardly count as "credible" sources but I have better things to do with my time than argue about it.) (RookZERO 00:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC))

Yes it should be split. The term can be covered in the Chinese martial arts and the specific style should have its own article. A disambiguation page would be very helpful as well. User5802 03:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge

As the intro to the article states, this is just another of the generic terms for Chinese martial arts, and its description of the animal styles already has its own article. This is just a duplicate article, and it is misleading because it makes it seem as if Quan fa is actually a separate style. It is not, and any open-hand form of Chinese martial art can be referred to as quan fa. If a Quan fa (term) article needs to be created, then that is a separate issue as its content would be radically different than the present article. VanTucky 23:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

According to http://www.hokkian-siauwlim.com/history.html

Quan Fa is the five fist fighting method of ShaolinQuan. Each animal has their own style. But, the Shaolin Monks uses each animal style as a form of training. Hence, The Tiger style is for- training the bones, The Leopard- Physical Power and etc.

Here's a quote from the URL

"Improvements during many centuries and the necessity to defend themselves against intruders, QuanFa, the ShaoLin boxing has been developed to an almost perfect manner of the fist-fight."

So, in other words, Quan Fa main reason was invented for Self Defense. This is also the main reason the Japanese use Quan Fa as a reference to creating karate. But today, many schools have expanded the art of QuanFa through out the world, solemnly to teach Quan Fa (Google, Quan Fa, you can find schools in the UK and USA).

Also, yes, many fighting styles incorporate Quan Fa as one of their training methods. But it is still a Fighting Style.

(ShinFuYux 22:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC))

I think you are confusing the specific style of Five Animals Kung FU with Quan Fa (which is a generic term in chinese for all martial arts, not a specific style). (RookZERO 18:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC))

I checked the Five Animals article and it has nothing about "ch'uan fa" or "quan fa"; neither has Chinese Martial Arts (which has one mention, but no description). Merging this article into Chinese Martial Arts seems to have left no explanation of this term in wikipedia. I want to understand this term; its meaning; how it relates to Kenpo and Kuntao, which seem to share a common derivation; and how it relates to Kung fu (term), which seems to be falsely equated with it.SRBirch922 (talk) 03:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)