Talk:Racism in Ukraine

Discrimination against Tatars

I think there is some missing stuff here. Firstly, I think it should say:

In Crimea, native Tatars believe that they are discriminated against due to lack of lands and high unemployment.

As the source provided also lists this as a concern.

Secondly, the US gov. source also says the following:

"There were restrictive conditions for the formation of political parties, including the requirement to collect 10,000 signatures in no less than two-thirds of the country's provinces (oblasts), the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, and the cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol. The requirement made it nearly impossible for groups concentrated in one region such as the Crimean Tatars to form a political party." Even if uninteneded (which the source does not say if it was or was not), as it affected the ability of Tatars to organise and form a movement, it should be included/mentioned.

It also states:

"Crimean Tatar leaders continued to call for changes in the electoral law allowing them to achieve greater representation in the Crimean and national parliaments; current law does not allow the creation of political parties on the regional level, so Crimean Tatars had to join national political parties or blocs. Only one Crimean Tatar representative was a member of the national parliament. According to the Crimea information portal, the Tatars, who make up 12 percent of the population of Crimea, occupied seven seats in the 100-member Crimean Parliament. Eight of the 25 senior officials in the Crimean government were Tatars, including one deputy prime minister and the minister for labor and social policy, as were two of the 14 heads of raion (county-level) administrations in Crimea. Crimean Tatars remained underrepresented in city councils and city administrations. For example, none of the deputies to the mayor of Simferopol was a Crimean Tatar. The Crimean Tatar representative body, the Mejlis, was not legally recognized by national authorities."

I think the calls for greater representation should be incorporated into the article to show that it did indeed affect Tatars and did not go unnoticed.

Just as significantly, the part of the page that uses this source: https://www.unian.info/society/109418-dozens-of-muslim-gravestones-defaced-in-ukraines-crimea-region.html

The source also states: "When Ukraine became independent in 1991, the former Soviet republic`s new government opened Crimea to Tartar return, without determining what land the Tartars should settle on. In most cases, the Tartars wound up in sustenance farming villages located on the arid peninsula`s worst land."

as well as "Tensions between Crimea`s ethnic Tartars following Islam`s Sunni faith and ethnic Russians and Ukrainians following the Orthodox Christian faith had been running high in recent weeks, because of police efforts to force Tartar squatters off land wanted by developers."

Both are pretty important I think, especially the former due to how it shows that Tatars have not recieved much land back and the latter as it shows that discrimination comes from both Ukranians and Russians. Genabab (talk) 08:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

"...and cannot speak their native language"

So, are you even serious? Angry banderites immediately kill everyone who says a word in russian? Fix this russian propaganda take please. 212.90.62.43 (talk) 22:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

? I'm not sure what you're reffering to? Genabab (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2023

On account of making the part of the page that deals with tatars more complete I went through the cited sources on the page, and found some relevant information that I think should be included. Therefore, could you please change:

In Crimea, native Tatars believe that they are discriminated against due to lack of lands. Conflicts between Tatars and their Slavic neighbors in recent years have led to mass fist fights, the vandalism of graveyards and even murders. The Ukrainian government is slowly acknowledging the tensions. Crimean Tatars asserted that discrimination by mainly ethnic Russian officials in Crimea deprived them of employment in local administrations and that propaganda campaigns, particularly by Russian Cossacks, promoted hostility against them among other inhabitants of Crimea. More than 250,000 Crimean Tatars have returned to their homeland following Ukrainian independence, shifting the ethnic composition of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The return of Tatars, who belong to a different ethnicity, speak a separate language, and are predominantly Muslim, has resulted in increased ethnic and religious tensions in the Crimea and contributed to an increase in bias-motivated attacks against Crimean Tatars and their property.

(changes in Bold) To:

Following the collapse of the USSR and the independence of Ukraine, Tatars were allowed to return to Crimea. However, no decisions were made on what land would be returned to Tatars, so most Tatar families ended up living in arid land, upon being forced into sustenance farming villages. [source being, https://www.unian.info/society/109418-dozens-of-muslim-gravestones-defaced-in-ukraines-crimea-region.html]In Crimea, native Tatars believe that they are discriminated against due to lack of land ownership and high unemployment among them. Conflicts between Tatars and both Ukrainians and Russians in recent years have led to mass fist fights, the vandalism of graveyards and even murders, alongside evictions of Tatars by police from land wanted by developers. [using same source] The Ukrainian government is slowly acknowledging the tensions. Crimean Tatars asserted that discrimination by mainly ethnic Russian officials in Crimea deprived them of employment in local administrations and that propaganda campaigns, particularly by Russian Cossacks, promoted hostility against them among other inhabitants of Crimea. [As part of the same cited source] Furthermore, the Ukrainian government had put in place restrictions on the formation of political parties, which made it very difficult for groups like the Crimean Tatars to form a political party due to their concentration in one part of the country.

[once again, from the same source] Leaders among the Crimean Tatars called for changes to the electoral process so they may achieve greater representation within both Crimean and national parliaments. However, due to laws that did not allow for the creation of political parties on a regional level, Tatar organisations were left with the only option of joining other parties and blocs. Such was the level of exclusion from politics that the Tatars occupied seven seats in the 100-member Crimean Parliament, despite making up 12% of the population [Again, citing the US department source]. Up until the annexation of Crimea, the primary Crimean Tatar representative body, the Mejlis, was not legally recognized by national authorities.

More than 250,000 Crimean Tatars have returned to their homeland following Ukrainian independence, shifting the ethnic composition of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The return of Tatars, who belong to a different ethnicity, speak a separate language, and are predominantly Muslim, has resulted in increased ethnic and religious tensions in the Crimea and contributed to an increase in bias-motivated attacks against Crimean Tatars and their property. Genabab (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Genabab Inclined to accept, waiting for peer-review.  On hold -Lemonaka‎ 22:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Lemonaka, It's been ~a week since the request was made (a few months if you include the above part). I think it's safe to say that no one else is planning on commenting on here. Is a lack of objections that reason enough to establish consensus? Genabab (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Lemonaka: inclined to accept as well pending copy-edits. Iseult ^Δx parlez moi 14:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Lemonaka: I don't see any issues with this request outside of needing some copy-editing. I'll have to take a look at this again tomorrow, as it's rather late at night where I am. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 00:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

@Genabab, Lemonaka, and Iseult: I have made a temporary page showing the changes made by this edit request, with some of my copy-edits. It can be viewed here. Feel free to make any edits you feel are necessary. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 08:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

First ce pass done. Iseult ^Δx parlez moi 14:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Did one last touch up, seems like it's ready to be merged into the main article unless you or other editors have anything else to change. If not, I'll be back later to do that. Thanks for your help! Deauthorized. ^(talk) 22:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done : I feel like the expansion is good enough now to be included in the article. Let me know if you have any concerns. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 01:46, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

No update since 2019?

I am very interested in this article and not knowledgeable to comment on the content. It appears the article fails to include information after 2019, although a 2023 last update is noted. Timkob (talk) 15:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Relevance of the article?

This article uses resources & examples of racially motivated crimes from over a decade ago. There is hardly any recent data mentioned in the article. Since we are are talking about society, especially as young as Ukrainian, we need to understand that there were major changes over a decade - for good or for worse we don't know due to the outdated information in this article. 46.150.74.114 (talk) 19:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)