Talk:Raymond C. Ortlund Jr.

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Raymond C. Ortlund Sr

I've just translated a book, by Raymond C. Ortlund Sr. (1923-July 22, 2007) who was pastor (now deceased) of Lake Avenue Congregational Church, Pasadena California into Spanish, entitled "Let the Church be the Church" with permission of his widow Anne Ortlund. Is this the same pastor profiled?75.23.181.247 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No, that would be Raymond C. Ortlund, Sr., the father of Raymond C. Ortlund Jr., Raymond C. Ortlund Sr. and his wife Anne Ortlund, were ministers around the world, primarily to pastors, missionaries, churches and Christian organizations. Ray, Sr. and Anne have wrote numerous books together over their years of ministry including: 'Three Priorities for a Strong Local Church, and Up with Worship.^[1]^[2]

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Gavin Ortlund

Raymond C. Ortlund Jr. son Gavin Ortlund and Grandson of Raymond C. Ortlund, Sr., is also a Pastor and writer. See https://about.me/gavinortlund and https://gavinortlund.com

Notability

There are some questions of notability for this article. I have tried to find sources to assist this article in meeting WP:GNG, but presently, the only thing that gives anything even close to that is the political controversy that some editors are trying to remove. If GNG cannot be met, this article may need to be draftified or PRODed. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would accept that this piece (cited in the article) would be one of the sources needed to establish GNG, wouldn't you? St Anselm (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, no problems there. Did I add that after this post (I can't recall)? I have done quite a bit of editing and added a number of sources since posting this, so IMO, we OK on GNG at this point (or if someone disagreed, I think it's close and moving that direction). ButlerBlog (talk) 15:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added another source; I think at this point, I'm satisfied that it either meets GNG as it is, or that it can through additional editing. I do think it needs additional sources, but I'll remove the tag as well since most information in the article is cited with a secondary source. ButlerBlog (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks for your work. St Anselm (talk) 00:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ministry section

I moved the controversy into "Ministry" for a couple of reasons - first, I'm not a fan of "controversy" sections unless they are something that should stand alone (which this is not). I tend to fall on the side of WP:CRITS. This is two sentences - it doesn't warrant a standalone section, which was undue weight. However, I fall on the side of keeping it in the article simply due to notability of the event. I have moved some other things around and tried to get more sources for this article to prevent it being PRODed. Additional sources are needed, and the "Ministry" section should be expanded to prose if possible (IMO - not a fan of lists - it's more "resume-like" rather than encyclopedic). ButlerBlog (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Good Reads, Raymond C. Ortlund Sr.

[2] Raymond C. Ortlund, Sr.: 1923-2007, 23 July 2007, by Raymond C. Ortlund Jr.

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