Talk:Ringtone/Archives/2012
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There should be a reference to- Singtones. Singtones are the merger of mobile phones with karaoke to create customized ringtones with the user's voice overlayed to a pre-recorded music track.
How many ring tones are not licensed but based on copyrighted work, ie bootleg?
There should be some mention of novelty ringtones like Crazy Frog or Sweety the Chick.
It's just me or is popularity shown twice in the article?
Also could there be discussion about home-made ring tones that one makes themselves on their own computer and transfers to their own phone that they own. Or if such does not exist there could be talk about why not, i.e. a greedy industry that wants to control content and thus profits. When I first started hearing about ring tones I thought of all the cool clips of independent, non-radio bands that I could put on a phone if I ever got that type. But judging from the article here, it doesn't look like we are able to control the content of the phones we own.
Just a note on the history of downloadable ringtones - The now defunct phoneshop.com was offering downloadable ringtones in 1997 - I think part of the problem is that anyone who admitted to inventing the downloadable ring tone would probably be immediately shot. Lawrie (talk) 22:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
"90-volt 20-hertz AC wave" ?
I'm guessing the "90-volt 20-hertz AC wave" refers to POTS in the US only, right? If so, I think this should be mentioned in the article.
82.83.12.214 18:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
In Australia it's 16.7 Hz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.176.69 (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
External Links
Hi! I semi-reverted your linkspam removal edit to the ringtones article. There was a definitely linkspam item there that you removed that I kept deleted. You accidentally broke a link to the Ringtones & the Music Industry and I fixed that. I did restore the two links that link directly to ringtone MP3 files. They are legit and not linkspam. They are, in fact, quite useful, I think! Thanks! See you around! --AStanhope 20:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I had to remove the following two links from Ring tone:
- forty fivemovie.com/mp3/lamisc/ringtones/phone_ring_2x.mp3
- fortyfivemo vie.com/mp3/lamisc/ringtones/euroring.mp3
- These should not be included in the external links section. Please see WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files.
Monkeyman(talk) 20:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry - these are totally non-commercial and totally useful. This isn't a simple repository or mirror... They are links to something that can actually be used. I am restoring them. --AStanhope 20:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- OK. What is your objection to the inclusion of those two links? You called them linkspam originally. I don't blame you for deleting them the first time. You can certainly see now, however, that they aren't linkspam. I think they should stay. --AStanhope 20:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, first sorry for my somewhat impolite behavior. Spam removal and external link pruning is the main thing I do at Wikipedia. Sometimes it comes across as a bit blunt. My argument for removing these links is primarly Wikipedia policy WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. My main concern by allowing these two mp3 links is opening a door we don't want to. At what point will the line be drawn for these ringtones? Can anyone submit any ringtone they want? What if the list grows to 10 mp3 links, or one hundred? Should we allow all of them? Besides being against policy, this is setting the stage for a fair amount of abuse. Monkeyman(talk) 21:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for writing back. I see that you are dealing with linkspam and I know that it's important. I'm glad that you're doing it! OK. I've carefully read the Wikipedia is not a mirror section and its intent has nothing to do with the situation here. If we took the ringtones in question and uploaded them into the Wikipedia media space THAT would be something those rules address. Since we're simply pointing to content that is stored elsewhere there shouldn't be concerns here. I am wary of the Slippery Slope argument. Indeed, if we allow External Links at all what's to prevent the external link section from growing into 10,000 links!? I think that as a community we do very well policing External Link sections and I dare say that somehow we'd find a way to stop the external link section here from getting out of hand long before it grew to 100 links... *** Let me quickly tell you about these files. I recently got a phone that allowed me to add my own ringtones manually (without having to use a paid or commercial ringtone service). I had no idea how to go about this or really, precisely, what ringtones were all about. I read a great deal over the course of a weekend - including this article - and eventually set out to look for some tones. It is very, very difficult to find an example of a ringtone that you can bring to your desktop without paying for it. I stumbled upon a page by a private individual that described a similar set of circumstances and he/she made the fruit of their research - these two tones (along with a number of others) - available for anyone else who came behind them. I downloaded them and used them and couldn't be happier. I think they round out this article quite well and also think that future readers could benefit from their presence as well. What does a ringtone sound like? What file format do they come in? Here are two excellent examples. --AStanhope 23:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, first sorry for my somewhat impolite behavior. Spam removal and external link pruning is the main thing I do at Wikipedia. Sometimes it comes across as a bit blunt. My argument for removing these links is primarly Wikipedia policy WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. My main concern by allowing these two mp3 links is opening a door we don't want to. At what point will the line be drawn for these ringtones? Can anyone submit any ringtone they want? What if the list grows to 10 mp3 links, or one hundred? Should we allow all of them? Besides being against policy, this is setting the stage for a fair amount of abuse.
- Those hardly reflect the obnoxious nature of ring tones (see Crazy Frog) most people associate them with, their classification strikes me as rather POV, too, they don't really scream 'European' or 'American' to me. If you could just include one and label it "Example of how a vintage analog phone sound can be used as a ring tone", or something similar, I'm confident it would fit in perfectly :) Obli (Talk)? 23:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Cool. Good suggestion. I'll run with it! --AStanhope 02:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
What file format
As someone who can never find my mobile phone - which probably is too old to be able to download a ringtone - even if I wanted, I don't know a lot about ringtones and found this article quite useful (the first such article I have found!). But the simple question is: "if I want to offer a ringtone on a web site, what would be the best format to use?" I thought ".MMF" was the standard, then I looked at my son's phone (sagem my501c) and he's got ones that are: ".aac", ".mid", ".amr" - which means all that work trying to find how to convert to ".mmf" was wasted (or was it?). As I've only got a sample of one, and since it's virtually impossible to find anything on the web about the technical specs for ringtones - this is really the only place I can ask! Bugsy 08:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, experience now proves that ".mmf" files can't be uploaded onto the sagem my501c, however, that could be an issue with the web server not the phone! Bugsy 08:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Mobile games
I tried uploading a game.zip which when I opened it in windows contained a game.jar and a game.jad. If anyone happens to know the technical issues about loading games - again it would be worth an article (and a link from here for people like me!) Bugsy 08:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC) --213.42.21.76 11:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Incomplete Merger
The merge of Ring (Telephone) and Ringing Signal does not appear to have been completed very well - This article still mostly only makes sense if you realise that it was once just about mobile ringtones.
E.g. Third Sentence "This facility was originally provided so that people would be able to determine when their phone was ringing when in the company of other mobile phone owners."
The History, Types of Ringtones, Ringtone formats, Ringtone maker and Criticism sections only talk about mobile ringtones. The Ringing signal article has just been dumped into this article as a new section. I'm going to mark it as needing a cleanup --Ozhiker 07:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
About free ringtone sites -- hey jamie
hey jamie i dont know if this is the correct way to talk just new to wikipedia. Hey i just made amendment to the page for ringtones. I just found those 2 sites break.com and ringaholic.com and those sites offer free ringtones so jsut wondering :S why free ringtone places shouldn't be put on a page that is ringtones page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.41.244 (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- See WP:EL and WP:SPAM. There are millions of ringtone pages. Wikipedia doesn't need to list th em. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Two Billion Dollars ?
Article cites Fortune, "By 2005, ring tones generated more than $2 billion in annual worldwide revenues.[6]"
I find this figure unbelievable. Does anyone have additional reliable data? Cgmusselman (talk) 19:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Introduction of concept
Wouldn't it be proper to credit the Derek Flint franchise with the idea of ringtones in general? - knoodelhed (talk) 19:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
FCC ruling?
- "Following a 1975 FCC ruling which permitted third-party devices to be connected to phone lines, manufacturers began to produce accessory telephone ringers which rang with electronic tones or melodies rather than mechanically."
- Is this ruling either Hush-A-Phone v. United States or the ruling following the Carterfone case? If so, both seem to have happened earlier than 1975.
--Abdull (talk) 23:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Pulsating DC?
I believe that this paragraph (and an earlier mention of "pulsating DC") contains a lot of misinformation:
"A ringing signal is an electric telephony signal that causes a telephone to alert the user to an incoming call. On a POTS telephone system, this is created by sending a ringing current, a pulsating DC signal of about 100 volts [90 volts and 20Hz in the USA] into the line. Pulsating DC does not alternate polarity; it pulsates from zero to maximum voltage then back to zero. Today this signal may be transmitted digitally for much of the journey, provided as a ringing current only because a majority of landlines are not digital end-to-end. In old phones, this voltage was used to trigger a high-impedance electromagnet to ring a bell on the phone."
AC is used everywhere that I am aware of, effectively superimposed on the battery voltage to allow the ring-trip relay (or whatever) to respond the called party's off-hook condition.
Furthermore, ringing voltage is always applied at the called party's end and not "transmitted digitally for much of the journey". This should be evident from the fact that, for example, American telephones do not ring in a British cadence when called from England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 (talk) 19:07, 9 July 2010 (UTC)