Talk:Ronald Loui

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Notability

The closest this comes to asserting notability is saying that he's one of Obama's old friends. We need wp:RS's specifically and explicitly about Loui, not articles which happen to mention him. NJGW (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This needs more reliable sources per the wp:Notability policy. Sources should demonstrate significant coverage of Ronald himself, not ones that happen to mention him. NJGW (talk) 04:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging per the above concerns. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 15:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I reduced the page because it was obviously bloated after MosheL at google and FernandoT from Argentina had obviously visited. Too bad about GACovington's photo going away because he forgot to copyright it -- nice shot. According to WP:PROF, Professor Loui probably had enough scholar.google and Web of Science citations because of his famous work in defeasible reasoning. Wikiresearchman (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but perhaps not. A quick WoS search shows 16 papers (12 of which are actually research articles), but an h-index of only 5. He may have other cited work in conference proceedings and such, but he appears at this point to be borderline at best (hence the continued need for the tag). Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 19:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Review and Tagging

This article has had trouble for a long time, as noted above, and is still something of a mess. The entire lede paragraph asserts notability on the false basis that he was childhood friends with Barack Obama at Punahou School. The biography section asserts some notability on technical grounds, but WoS h-index is still only 6 (little change from 3 years ago), though he has a few papers with >100 cites. The confusing aspect of this bio is that the subject seems to have "started over" in academia, being currently an assistant professor at University of Ill, Springfield. I've notability-tagged the article. It needs to be rewritten with a solid establishment of notability based on WP:RS, not the mostly web-based list that exists at the moment (which I think can be done). Second, the WP:UNDUE emphasis on his childhood friendship of Obama should be toned-down to a sentence or two, as this is basically trivia. Agricola44 (talk) 20:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Why "false basis" for childhood friendship? Seems pretty well established. Also, scholar.google has h-index of 17. WoS h-index is 10 without merging citation variations. Recommend comparing scholar google numbers to someone bigger at Wash U like Zaborsky or Early or Paredes. Agree that lead paragraph should be cut (why do people call it lede?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:7D00:653:8995:4F10:7FB9:F413 (talk) 09:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. False basis means that the current version of the article very clearly asserts Loui is notable because he was childhood friends with Barack Obama, but the WP guidelines are equally clear that notability is not inherited in this fashion. Otherwise, there are millions of people who could claim notability along these lines because of friendship or relation to a notable individual. Citations: I don't know what you mean by "merging citation variations", nor is it typical or appropriate to compare his h-index to another individual. Rather, the governing guideline here is likely WP:PROF and, so far as h-index goes, convention (over hundreds of such cases) holds that 10-15 is borderline. Various indexing services put him within, or just above or just below this range. If you're familiar with the subject, maybe you know of other information that would help? The goal is to firm-up this article, especially because the rules for living individuals are much more strict than for other subjects. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 18:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Hello, I guess I am the subject of the article! I appreciate the dfense of the earlier person, though I count a scholar.google.com index for "ronald loui" of 19 (that's what the resume says, anyway!). Maybe 20 soon if the next month goes well!!!! How do I sign this? -- RPL