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Last international appearance

Ive had to change this many times as someone keeps editing it. Ronaldo has not played for Brazil since 2006, therefore the International years stays as ended at 2006. Whether he has announced his retirement or not is irrelevant for these articles. If/when he plays for Brazil again, then it can be changed, not before. --Mozman (talk) 10:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Translation error

The term "Golden Shoe" should be "Golden Boot." It is correct at the bottom of the page where Ronaldo's various honors are listed, but in the text under the portion of the professional career, the erroneous translation appears.Wikiargy (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)wikiargy

Protection

It's been seven months. Does this page still need to be protected?81.154.246.173 (talk) 11:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Why is there NO direct mention whatsoever-- even in the discussion-- of the "transvestite scandal" from April. Seems almost like censorship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.88.178 (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Mathematical Error

There is a mathematical error at this line: "He is eleven goals away from becoming Brazil's all-time top-scorer. Ronaldo is currently the fourth highest all-time goalscorer of the Brazil national football team, with 62 goals. He trails third place Zico, 66, second place Romario, 71, and first place Pelé, 77." Shouldn´t it be "he is 16 goals away from becoming..." ? Or is Pelés goal count wrong? Because 62+11 = 73. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.220.207 (talk) 17:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I've edited Ronaldo's Honours to include the FIFA Club World Cup, which Milan won in 2007. Although Ronaldo didn't play during the tournament, he was appart of the squad which took part in it. On A.C Milan's official site, it notes that Ronaldo has won the tournament also. If I'm wrong please let me know, as these details are very hard to define as conclusive. Milan also won the 2007 UEFA SuperCup; but was Ronaldo on that squad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoinfoley (talk • contribs) 17:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

There are many Ronaldos, some of equal stature, naming this page just Ronaldo excludes the others —Mjb1981 (talk) 10:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support This individual may be the one most associated with "Ronaldo" in sport, but Wikipedia is ecumenical. Ronaldo is a normal name, first or last, and I don't think that it's reasonable to presume that a search for it is a search for this individual. ENeville (talk) 06:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support moving to Ronaldo (Brazilian player) or Ronaldo (football player), but not to Ronaldo de Lima, a name that isn't used for this player. Ronaldo should by all means become a disambiguation page. Húsönd 13:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support per discussion, and per ENeville. I think Ronaldo (football player) would be fine, as are most of the other suggestions. Mjb1981 (talk) 09:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. He is referred to by one name; no one else on the dab page is. The naming here does not conflict with other people with the first name "Ronaldo" - the only articles it could conflict with would be Ronaldo (name) or an article on someone else known by the same single name. Unfortunately, Ronaldo (name) is not an article about the name; it might be more accurately titled List of people with the first name Ronaldo, and would then probably be a candidate for deletion. Also note that some people who have expressed opinions have done so only below. Dekimasuよ! 05:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Dab pages generally link unpiped, so the appearance of the link Ronaldo on the dab page follows from the title here, and therefore shouldn't be used as a guide. Also pages on names (Ronaldo (name)) are typical, if typically inglorious. ENeville (talk) 18:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose, per Dekimasu. - Dudesleeper / Talk 08:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose per my comments below. PC78 (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Can we agree that Ronaldo is a name used by many people, including many famous footballers. (When I hear the name Ronaldo, I think of the footballer Cristiano Ronaldo.)

The Ronaldo article should list the various Ronaldos instead of assuming that people will only be interested in one of them. I would suggest a good name for this article would be Ronaldo de Lima.

I don't think that the link at the top of the page to Ronaldo (disambiguation) (which in turn redirects to the Ronaldo (name) page) is enough. Other names shared by many famous people are all disambiguation sites, as this one should be. - Mjb1981 (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You should have taken the silence as a no rather than a sure, go ahead. - Dudesleeper / Talk 13:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

No the name should'nt be changed to Ronaldo de lima. First of all Cristiano Ronaldo wouldn't have become so well known and so popular so quick if their wasn't already an extremely well known player simply known as 'RONALDO'. Everybody knows Ronaldo for Ronaldo you never hear commentators in games say Ronaldo De Lima has scored! It's simply Ronaldo and has been for a very long time. IF you change Ronaldo's article to Ronaldo De Lima not many people will recognise who the player is. It should stay as Ronaldo for the original player, at least untill he retires. Just about everybody knows Cristiano Ronaldo's FIRST and LAST name. - Belija91 (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Everyone who follows the English premiership knows Ronaldo to be Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody ever says Cristiano Ronaldo has scored, it is always just Ronaldo, just like Ronaldo de lima. People looking for Cristiano Ronaldo will usually search for just Ronaldo, knowing the first name is not the same as knowing how to spell it. It isn't as if Cristiano Ronaldo is a mundane player - he is considered by most to be the best player in the English Premiership.

All other articles has the person's full name, why is Ronaldo different? I don't mind what it is changed to, but leaving it as just Ronaldo when there are others of similar fame is favouritism. I'm not saying that Cristiano Ronaldo should be just Ronaldo, but the Ronaldo page should treat each player equally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjb1981 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. Ronaldo De Lima is commonly known as Ronaldo. Cristiano Ronaldo is commonly known as Cristiano Ronaldo. There is already a dab page in place which does its job just fine. PC78 (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This is not true. Everyone refers to Cristiano Ronaldo as Ronaldo.Mjb1981 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm, no they don't. Who is "everyone", and where is your evidence? PC78 (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying no-one knows his first name, but turn on the TV, or radio, and you'll hear him called Ronaldo, just Ronaldo. Mjb1981 (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

If it's a news segment, he'll be mentioned as Cristiano Ronaldo first, then Ronaldo from that point on, just like any other player. - Dudesleeper / Talk 17:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

But most people looking for the Wikipedia article would just type in Ronaldo, when he is discussed he is usually called Ronaldo, just as this Ronaldo is. Mjb1981 (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That's other people's laziness then. If they're football fans, they'll know typing in Ronaldo in a search will bring up the Brazilian. - Dudesleeper / Talk 17:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that may be true, but for someone who only knows about the English Premiership, or someone who doesn't know that much about football, they may not know that, and may not know Cristiano Ronaldo's first name. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should give equal status to the two players and give unknowledgeable and lazy people just as much access as those who are knowledgeable. Mjb1981 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If a move is made, I think that the standard for Latin names would indicate Ronaldo Nazário, as I think that Nazário would be his father's last name and Lima his mother's. ENeville (talk) 06:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ronaldo (el fenomeno) is more famous than Cristiano Ronaldo, he have a famous nickname. When they're famous, R9 known as Ronaldo and R7 known as Cristiano Ronaldo (since 2003 - 2007), 1 year is too short. 58.186.10.156 (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

flagicom spain he has the spanish nacionality ans of Brazil birth and international footabll player with his selection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.121.159 (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"Israeli and Palestinian children's charities"

Ronaldo does NOT support any Israeli charities, be it children's or otherwise.
Ronaldo only supports Palestinian charities... —Topk (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

DATE OF BIRTH - WRONG!

Ronaldo was born on the 22nd of September 1976, and not on the 18th. Can you change the date in the article!?!!

See an earlier section above. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ronaldo HAS won the UEFA Champions League

Ronaldo actually won the UCL. He has got a medal. See his official Website: http://www.ronaldo.com/en/News/LatestNews/080522_Ronaldo_still_wants_to_decide_a_Champions_League_title.aspx There he says "I want to fight and win another one and score goals to help me do that." With "another one" he means the Champions League medal. Would someone please change that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.242.211 (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Spanish League Winner 2006/2007

Ronaldo has won the Spanish League 06/07. Altough he was transferred to Milan he played in the matches in the season. So this means that he also gets the league title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.203.245 (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ronaldo for English Premier League?

September 2008. There are strong rumours that Ronaldo will be joining premier league newcomers Stoke City. It is well known that he would welcome the chance to play in the English Premier League before he finally hangs up his boots and would welcome the chance to play for 'the team made famous by Gordon Banks and Stanley Matthews'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.109.215 (talk) 13:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not. Man City are said to still be interested in him too. But until anything is confirmed - and by confirmed, I don't mean a newspaper article or a comment from Guillam Balague, but either a confirmation from the club doing the signing, or by BBC (who are one of the few media resources who won't post a news article until it is actually certain) then it shouldn't be added to this article. Not even as a section saying "people say Ronaldo might join". Falastur2 ^Talk 13:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)