Talk:Russian cruiser Rurik (1906)

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There's a photo of the ship available in this journal that can be uploaded to en.wiki. Parsecboy (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: CPA-5 (talk · contribs) 11:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• I claim this and this time no one steals it. ;) Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Rurik served as the flagship of the Russian Baltic Fleet Pipe Russian to the Russian Empire.
  • Done
• making raids on German positions in the southern Baltic Pipe German to the German Empire.
  • Done - see, you go away for a week and I forget to do the usual stuff you get me on ;)

• Believe me, it wasn't a week; it was almost three weeks mate. XD

• I see some long tons as primary units while the rest of the article uses metric?
  • Long tons are standard for discussing warships

• Never learn it, I guess.

• more than twice that of the preceding Bayan class Add cruiser here.
  • Done
• a vessel armed with a dozen 254 mm (10 in) guns, though the Russians Pipe Russians to the Russian Empire.
  • Done
• armament of twenty 75 mm (3.0 in) guns Round the nought here.
  • See what I mean?
• critically important in the battles against Japan Pipe Japan to the Empire of Japan.
  • Done
• She had a beam of 22.86 m (75 ft) and a draft of 7.92 m (26 ft). She displaced 15,190 long tons (15,430 t) Merge both sentences by connecting them by an "and" and was this full load or normal?
  • Done, but none of the sources say
• deck that extended to her main mast and incorporated Why was there a main mast?
  • I'm not sure what you're asking - that's what the mast in that position is called

• Yeah, but since when had a cruiser have a main mast?

• Always, so long as they have a mast in that position - it's just what it's called, as opposed to a fore mast, etc.

• supported by a secondary battery of eight 203 mm (8 in) 50 cal. Pattern 1905 guns Remove the inches here; is the second time we mentioned this.
  • Done
• They fired a 139.2 kg (307 lb) semi-armor-piercing (SAP) Link semi-armor-piercing.
  • We don't have an article for that
• tertiary battery of twenty 120 mm (4.7 in) 50 cal. guns Same as above; no inches.
  • Done
• The M1908 torpedo carried a No link for M1908?
  • Not as of yet
• speed of 38 knots (70 km/h; 44 mph); the range doubled when they were set to 27 knots (50 km/h; 31 mph) "|abbr=on" is needed for the knots per

MOS:UNITNAMES

• • I don't typically abbreviate knots since it only saves us 2 or 3 characters, and it's not used frequently, which I think is ok per the MoS
• of 43 knots (80 km/h; 49 mph) and 5,000 m (5,500 yd) at 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph) Same as above.
  • As above
• It really annoys me that some ranges were exact 1, 2, 5, 15 and 16 km but they're written in metres.
  • For the guns and such? I generally follow the formatting in the sources, and gun ranges are pretty universally given in m/yd, not km/mi (except AA guns, which are m/ft)
• in thickness to 50 to 115 mm (2.0 to 4.5 in) --> "in thickness to 50–115 mm (2–4.5 in)" If possible of course.
  • The template doesn't allow one to round only one of the figures, and I'd rather have the .0 than round 4.5 up to 5
• The dates used in this article are New Style in the note. Maybe add the 13-day difference of the Old Styles here? (This difference started in 1900.) And also add after the October Revolution the Old Style was disestablished.
  • I think that's a bit beyond the scope of the article

• Okay, maybe add a note at the October Revolution which states that thanks to the Old Style it is called the October Revolution while the New Style was 13 days ahead and it actually was in November? I think the average readers would be confused (believe me I was also confused when I first learnt about the Russian Revolutions). Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

• Added.

• and in July 1910, she was sent on a cruise in the Mediterranean Sea To do what?
  • I don't know, unfortunately
• She returned to the Baltic, where she remained for the next three years When?
  • Dodson doesn't say
• into the western Baltic in the vicinity of Bornholm, Sweden, and Danzig, Germany Add Denmark after Bornholm.
  • Done
• in company with Admiral Makarov and Bayan Add cruiser after Admiral Makarov.
  • Done
• Over the following two days, three other cruisers laid a series of minefields And those were?
  • I didn't think it was relevant to bog down the narrative with their names
• Bayan and Admiral Makarov, part of the 1st Cruiser Brigade Link for the unit?
  • We don't have one
• planned a bombardment operation to support the garrison at Windau during a German attack Maybe more explanation where Windau lies?
  • Done
• Some of the information in the "Later operations" section isn't in WWI; maybe make the sections separate from WWI section?
  • Yeah, but it all fits together as a narrative - splitting it in 1918 creates excessive subdivision in my view
• While on patrol off the island of Hogland on 7 November In which country is did? Still Russia?
  • Yes, Russia - clarified
• She was struck from the naval register on 1 November and taken to Leningrad The article Saint Petersburg says that Petrograd was still in use until 1924. This means we still need to use Petrogard both in the lead and body; unless the article is wrong of course?
  • Fixed
• The Russian Revolution began in February 1917 and culminated in the October Revolution in October Those dates are misleading, you got confused with the name "Russian Revolution" which wasn't in February well not at least in the New Style while the October one was in November.
  • Good catch

Infobox

• "1,920 tons coal" which ton? Tons should always be written fully.
  • That shouldn't be there, actually
• "203 mm (8 in) guns" infobox says 8 while the body says a dozen?
  • You're looking at the initial design - four of them were removed during the design process
• "120 mm (4.7 in) guns" infobox says 20 while the body doesn't mention it at all except if I missed it.
  • Remember when you asked me to remove the second conversion of 120 mm? :P
• "1.9 in (47 mm) guns" flip units.
  • Fixed
• "Belt: 76 to 152 mm (3 to 6 in)" --> "Belt: 76–152 mm (3–6 in)"?
  • Done
• "180–203 mm (7–8 in)" isn't mentioned in the body.
  • Fixed
• "Deck: 25 to 38 mm (1.0 to 1.5 in)" --> "Deck: 25–38 mm (1–1.5 in)"
  • As above

The rest will come late. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Images

• How do we know that "File:Brasseys Bayan 2.jpg" is in public domain? It's last author Thursfield, Henry George, died in 1963 which is bellows the 70 years? If it is, then add a US tag 'cause some in some countries the copyright status is still ongoing.
  • Thursfield wasn't the creator of the image, so his date of death is irrelvant - Barnaby did the drawings. Added a US tag, as that's necessary regardless
• The rest look good in my opinion.

Sources

• Is it possible to standardise the ISBNs?
  • Done
• Dodson's ISBN goes to the edition of Pen & Sword Books Limited while the section says Seaforth Publishing.
  • Corrected
• Huh, the ISSN goes to the title "Engineering : for innovators in technology, manufacturing and management" on WorldCat while the article here says The Trials of the Russian Armoured Cruiser "Rurik"? There is also no publisher?
  • The title here is for the specific article in the journal - added the publisher
• Add "John" next to Watts, Anthony.
  • Added "J.", as that's how he's credited in the book
• No Antony Preston in McLaughlin?
  • Not sure I follow - he is listed

• I ignored him, I guess.

Okay that's it for me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Parsecboy: And mate, how's work going on? I'm still in quarantine until May; which means I have still some time before I'll be busy again. ;) Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @CPA-5: It's going pretty well for me - I used to work from home regularly in my old job, and as this one is fairly similar (but in a different department), it's kind of old hat. Of course it's harder with the kids, having to help with their schooling and whatnot, and my wife's job is a bit more difficult (mainly due to the fact that her work laptop died and her IT guy is kind of an idiot). We're all under the shelter in place order for the foreseeable future, though they're talking about some limited reopening once they ramp up testing. My state has done a much better job than some others in shutting things down and containing the spread, so hopefully we'll be alright. How are you doing with all this? Parsecboy (talk) 10:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Parsecboy: That's great to hear you're all right. ;) I can't imagine how life is with kids in the same building for weeks long. I hope they'll pass this school year. About your wife's laptop is sad news to hear especially if you have the knowledge to repair PCs and laptops but can't help you. Bad ITer. About the limiting the reopening, there's a lot of news here about people who carry guns to the near local state government's building and protest to reopen the state and giving them jobs. Here, most people I know are mad and upset to hear the suicidal situation by those groups. Locally here, the National Security Council decided to reopen the economy a little bit this would start at the 4 May which it did. Normally they'd decide to let the people organise little parties with max. 10 people. Sadly a local Walloon newspaper somehow gains access to this information and published it. We were happy but after the leaked information the National Security Council decided to hold this plan, scraped it and reduced it from 10 to 2 inviting friends which upset everyone. Schools are still closed until the 18th unless the cases go up again. Only 3 classes in both primary and secondary schools would give lessons; in primary, the first two and the last years would go back while in secondary only the last years (5th to 7th years). And even if they are allowed schools still should maximise their students to 10 per class which means the rest should continue learning at home. I'm still jobless, can't go to school and still scraping my favourite hobby (scouting) the last one would probably be until September. It's still unknown how summer camps would continue 'cause our Easter camp has been cancelled since this. Oh and I also got the news that my sister's physiotherapist has been tested positive; hopefully she hasn't "it" and I still can't visit my dad (he has asthma) and my mum and my little sister (you know who goes to the physiotherapist) are sheltering here to try not to infect my dad even though my mum got tested and she has negative so I hope this would be gone as fast as possible. I also heard it's possible that "it" would come back next winter unless there is a vaccine but experts think it would be made in 2021. So I guess we're both still stuck with this. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

• But anyway I think it's ready to go. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)