Talk:Russkiy Mir Foundation

Quod scripsi, scripsi

Dear Ukrained2012, first of all, I'd wish you read more attentively next time what has already been clearly stated and explained. I don't know why you force me to repeat.
Second, you wrote a phrase and even you put it within quotation marks (!) pretending that it's a quote but this phrase is not in the source (I've explained it already). It looks like a mystification.
Third and main, the abstract concept of the "Russian Word" (it does not matter what meanings different authors bring into this, it is not the subject of this article) and the particular organisation Russkiy Mir Foundation is two completely different things. The latter, as it is clearly stated in its establishing documents, is the organisation promoting the Russian language and culture, thus ranking with Goethe-Institut, Francophonie, the British Council, Community of Portuguese Language Countries and so on. It has nothing to do with the church (which is still praying in Church Slavonic, and even in Tatar and Chuvash, but not in Russian) and other religious and political non-neutral matters, so putting an emphasis on these dubious unsourced things and place them into the article is excessively politicising and de-neutralising of the not so very big article.

In other words, you're naively trying to convince me to build this article only with self-sources. I'm aware this is the way things are done in Putinist Russia. But the Wikipedia rejects such an approach. Your deletion must be reverted.

However, I can easily, with my left hand only, beat your unreasonable arguments with citations from the very same non-RS web site you're referring to. Here are results of my 2-second effort:

• The Foundation states that "forming Russian World as a global project" and "serving Russia" are its "Ideology" (subheader in bold letters). Therefore, I'm not confusing "the abstract concept of and the particular organisation" - like you naively attempted to present
• On the very same page, the Foundation's also declares an official goal of "формированиe на этой основе благоприятного по отношению к России общественного мнения]" - "forming a favorable public opinion towards Russia". Your "linguistic" foundation is also promoting the "National Committee" for BRICS Research. By mere coincidence, that Committee's Chair is the same person who's heading the Russian World Foundation: ex-KGB operative Vyacheslav Nikonov. I hope nobody would argue that both objectives go way beyond "promoting the Russian language and culture".

I hope this convinced you again further attempts at censoring the article) Happy NPOV edits, Ukrained2012 (talk) 20:47, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Accusing of somebody in censorship or affiliations ("Putinist Russia" etc.) is not a good point to start with. I have no less reasons to suspect you of forcing non-neutral POV and considering of Wikipedia as your ideological battleground. You selectively pick up phrases from sources, put emphasis on what you like and one-sidedly present the subject in the way you like, thus as a result politilise and de-neutralise the article. In the cited source it is said literally about the organisation: Popularizing the Russian language and culture abroad is among the main objectives of the foundation. Russkiy Mir enjoys financial support from the government, and the number of Russian centers established by it is rapidly growing. By 2010, Russkiy Mir had set up 50 Russian centers in 29 countries (including the US, Germany, China, etc.). The phrase about the church and "values" you're so eager to put into the article is said about the "concept", not about the foundation.

Yes, now I see that you took the first phrase from the Russian version. But why you put it into the quotation marks? It is not a quotation, it is your translation. And why did you choose this phrase? In its establishing statute nothing is said about "global project". As well as about the church and "values". Explain, please, your picking up of these particular phrases from the sources, why you put an emphasis on it.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 12:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)