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SURVIVING SNARKS?

I'm pretty sure the Wright-Patterson Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio has a Snark. It can be found near the entrance to the "Cold War" hanger. Could somone confirm/deny whether the missile in question is a Snark? 167.206.204.93 15:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Grand Admiral Thrawn[reply]

Yes, I just saw it on a "War Machines" TV show episode about cruise missles. Even had the rocket boosters. Fully restored by the Air Force, said the narrator. It was obviously in a museum, but they didn't say which. Ronstew 04:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The missile at W-P AFM is a Snark. Added to the list in the article.

There is no Snark missile in Presque Isle, Maine. They were based there, but the city does not have one. It has an AGM-28 Hound Dog, see http://www.pirec.org/facilities/veterans-park/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:8000:2C3:C11A:333A:FA71:22CE (talk) 23:20, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Landing gear

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From the current version: "Lacking any landing gear, it would have been necessary for the Snark to skid to a stop on a flat, level surface."


It lacked wheeled landing gear, but as seen in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l307XiaUsrc
("Snark and its Landing Skids"; Air Force Space & Missile Museum Foundation; 1:40)

it did have two landing skids which extended for landing.


They should be mentioned in the article if we can find a proper reference for them, and perhaps we can also answer:

  • Were the skids on all versions of the Snark, or only test and development versions?
  • Were there skid pads on the wing tips?
  • Do these landing skids count as landing gear?

-- ToE 17:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prototype Snarks had deployable skids so they might be landed at the Cape Canaveral Skid Strip (if they survived the flight). The April 18, 1958 edition of Aviation Week on, page 139, has three photos of the process of recovering a Snark on the Cape Canaveral Skid Strip. The prototype Snarks had a centeral skid and two smaller skids on the wings. Early Snarks such the first N-25 and the later N-69 also were equipped with skids. Missile budgets were slim and the cost of landing skids was low enough in both cost and weight to justify attempting recovery. Some were. Skids are landing gear.

Mark Lincoln (talk) 22:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize. The correct date on the Aviation Leak article is April 21, 1958. Also see Werrell, Kenneth, "The Evolution of the Cruise Missile". Air University Press, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, page 91.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Snark Program 1946 - 1961

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Should a Wikipedia article not contain explanation of sufficient detail to provide a summary of a the whole history of a missile system? Particularly programs of a generation created from chaos and which was in extreme flux for many formative years? Should a Wikipedia article not contain sufficient authoritative documentation that a student coming upon the article would be satisfied and have sufficient leads to pursue further study of the subject?

The previous editors of SM-62 Snark did not fail as far as they went. The situation of missile programs in the late 1940s and early 1950s has made the problem of research daunting. I have strove to keep the SM-62 article as brief as possible while attempting to cover and document a complex subject sufficiently to achieve those goals. There were clear mistakes appearing in the Snark article which were repeats of published data which was in itself misleading. For example it was stated that the error in the accuracy of a crucial test flight was due to a mapping error of the location of the target. The reality was that the guidance error was in azimuth and not in range. Thus the claim made in some published sources that the Snark only missed due to an old mapping error is wrong.

Perhaps the best single reference article for the SM-62 Snark is by Kenneth Werrell, ‘’The Case Study of Failure‘’ in the American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Fall 1988

Ecclesiastes said there is nothing new under the sun. Mark Twain observed that history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.” Snark and other missile programs of the immediate post WWII era exemplify both sentiments.

To stay abreast of how technology is developing I recommend https://www.techbriefs.com

Mark Lincoln (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anachronistic use of Space Force Station

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The article refers to the facility at Cape Canaveral as Space Force Station, it was not so named until 2020. This should be corrected to the name used at the times referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.215.121 (talk) 18:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I didn't rename the location of the display missile since the present-day name of the facility is appropriate in that case. Carguychris (talk) 22:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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