Talk:Secondhand Serenade

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Notability has been established....why is the note still there? 03:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

How? I don't see any citations. Please show me. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 03:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I do like Seconhand Serenade, and am positive they are notable, but I'm gonna let someone else tackle this one. Notability can be easily established, but I'm working on other articles. Rather than tagging it non-notable why don't you do a google search and add citations yourself. There are external links on the page that I think satisfy notability guidelines. Anyways, I'll see if I can't get around to helping out this article. War wizard90 22:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the current links sufficiently establish notability. --Epeefleche 23:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC) link[edit]

The link I provided was to a lyrics page on a fan site that I own. Yes, there are ads on that page, but I feel it adds value to those who might be interested in Secondhand Serenade's lyrics. Do you not feel that content is a contribution? Darwinstudios 16:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia is a resource of encyclopedic information, and is not a directory of links. Contributions should be primarily focused on developing the encyclopedic content of the project. Contributions of mostly links to outside content is often scrutinized as potential spamming behavior. Even if there were no advertisements, due to the potential conflict of interest, the links should still be vetted by more neutral and independent parties per the external links guidelines.
It should also be noted that commercial song lyrics are usually copyrighted, and lyrics rights holders have been known to take actions against websites to protect their copyright. It's a bit of a no-no on Wikipedia to link to sites for the main purpose of distributing copyrighted content without some substantive indication of permission from the copyright holder, as it could be considered contributory infringement, not unlike linking to a BitTorrent file, or more topically, a YouTube video. Dancter 17:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


who keeps on removing emo from the genre? its says its are emo on the offcial myspace site and every other site i've seen and the fans on youtube seem to think its emo.

You think people on youtube have any idea what they're talking about??? God i was just looking at a Simple Plan song with a group of 5 talking about how they cut themselves and want to die ....? He might be 'emo' .. to some, but considering he's a 30? something year old and his songs are aimed at his wife... i'd doubt you could put him in that category. allmusic describes him as the "sensitive-guy-with-acoustic end of emo". I don't see why everyone wants to class every slightly emotional band/artist into this emo 'genre'. kiac (talk) 00:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

i see your point that emo is the most over used term in existance, but it does say emo on his myspace site which i beleve he is or was involved in running. when he had his influeces on his myspace page he had Jimmy Eat World,The Get Up Kids and I think he might have had Sunny Day Real Estate all of these where part of the second wave of emo. also his age has nothing to do with what genre of music he plays. (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Emo = Emotional; I love his songs and I defend him on every part but he sings about his emotions. He's like a sort of easy emo, not talking about how life sucks but talking about his feelings and how life has its ups and downs and how love is more than an emotion. Not emo unless you call every single love song out there emo, its just a love song HIS way. (talk) 01:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That is not what the emo genre is.Supahshadow (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

He's Gay Right?[edit]

I mean, have you heard this music? Seriously. If you would visit his myspace and read his "About Me" section, you would see that he has a wife. He says that she is inspiration to a lot of his music.--UnAWARE 16:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow. . . that's so unprofessional, he sings to his wife. Have you seen the videos? (talk) 01:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Seriously? It isn't uncommon for a singer to dedicate his/her songs to their spouse. If he is 'unprofessional', why is it he's so successful? Do his videos suggest he is gay? No. Does having a wife clearly contradict your opinion of him being gay? Yes. (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

But who is his wife? Who's he married to? Quote: You can see his wife kandice Vesley in the music video vulnerable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reginna.Punk-Rock101 (talkcontribs) 20:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

EDITED for fan site crap by EnglishAspen —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC) He's not playing emo!! Emo=Emotive hardcore This kinda music is called pop-rock! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The current article is..[edit]

dodgy. I don't see why? There's plenty of info on the net about him ..
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

Maybe that will help someone write something decent? I might come back and do some soonish. Hope this helps.. kiac (talk) 00:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Emotional Hardcore[edit]

He's not playing emo (emotional hardcore). Read the wiki about emo... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh god![edit]

¬¬" God, people, you need to read a little more about John Vesely.


Go to the link and KNOW A LITTLE MORE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Usage of Tonight[edit]

I fail to see the relevance of this section. It may be something that sets him apart, but i would think that since it is under musical style it would talk more about how the music sounds rather then how many times he uses a given word. (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I know exactly what you mean. I was going to delete it, but then i thought it may be notable if the section was expanded, so i just left it, having the intention of improving the section, but i never got around to it, i practically wrote the whole article myself - and every edit since has been spam or chart changes, i don't think anything but the tonight thing has been added to the actual article. So you may delete it if you like, it might be worth copying into here for later use. kiac (talk) 06:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Singles and Albums[edit]

I realized that under the singles section, "Your Call" is listed under "A Twist In My Story" when it is really from the album "Awake." I have absolutely no idea how to fix it, but it needs to be done! Thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guthiererika10 (talkcontribs) 16:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


You know wat? I think Wikipedia should develop some sort of program that automatically updates certain things. For example, the music's status in Top 40 etc. It should be tied to some website that does that type of updating in certain genres. Do you understand my concept? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)