Talk:Sikhism in Canada
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Some or all of the content of this page has been lifted word for word from the CanadianEncyclopedia.com 220.127.116.11 00:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Mandy Furney
misconduct were laid by police against three of its priests.
'Everybody's shocked . . . this was the last thing that would have ever popped into my mind,' said one member of Gurdwara Nanaksar, located on St. David Road in St. Vital.
'There's a massive uproar - sex is not talked about . . . it's a very taboo topic,' he said.
Gurdwara Nanaksar is one of only 17 temples of its kind worldwide - it is affiliated with a specific Sikh sect, Nanaksar Satsang Sabha.
Priests at the temple are expected to be celibate, and from as young as age eight lead a monastic life of meditation and prayer, the member said.
'(The priests) are raised in the temples - they don't have a choice in whether they are celibate or not,' he said. According to the member, the priests in question are believed to still be conducting religious ceremonies at the temple, but in a limited capacity preventing them from having contact with minors.
Others in the Sikh community worried about the scars the charges may leave on the reputation of the nearly 15,000 Sikhs in Winnipeg.
'This is very bad . . . any allegations of this kind reflect bad on the community as a whole,' said Mohinder Singh Dhillon, who worships at Singh Sabha, a mainstream Sikh temple on Sturgeon Rd.
Describing Winnipeg's small sect, consisting of fewer than 300 members, as 'not for the general public, but run for certain people,' Singh Dhillon referred to the priests as 'temporary - they are recalled (to Punjab) every three or four years.'
Paramjit Gill said it's the first kind of incident he's heard involving members of his community, and hoped for a full inquiry into the allegations.
'The Sikh people will not tolerate any incidents like this in our religion,' he said.
Winnipeg police said the priests were arrested last weekend and were released on a promise to appear in court.
Sgt. Kelly Dennison added the charges are linked to an alleged kidnapping occurring earlier this month. The Free Press previously reported that on Dec. 14, a man armed with a sword and another man armed with a tire iron allegedly kidnapped two priests from the temple. The men drove them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Sikh terrorism in Canada
- I agree, the content added is also copy and pasted directly from http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-eng.aspx, so it's not stuff we can use. - SimonP (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
As of now I believe official statistic canada census results should be used when referring to population numbers. Or at the very least estimates from reliable sources. The following article which had been cited: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-04/25/c_13844618.htm was used to claim that the liberals had undertaken a religious survey to reveal there were 800,000 sikhs in the GTA. The article stated nothing about any survey undertaken by the party, as well the figure given seems to come from the newspaper itself. As well as seeming very dubious that the canada wide sikh population which stood at aprox. 271,000 members would reach 800,000 in the GTA area alone in this time span. Duhon (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- That is a valid point, but it could be very likely that there is close to 800,000 Sikhs in Canada. As I recall, it does not claim anywhere that a religious survey was taken, but rather numbers were estimated, so not a census but rather a sample. As for StatCan, first it says that the Sikh population is below Hindu (which is very unlikely, trust me), then that they are above Hindu with 35 % to Hindu's 28 %, then that they are the same with both having 28 %. --Schmeater (talk) 03:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Also, this news article from 1984, just following the Anti-Sikh Pogroms explicitly states there to be about 300,000 Sikhs in Canada, this was 17 years before 2001. One must also note that due to the Anti-Sikh pogroms more than a thousand Sikhs fled to Canada.  --Schmeater (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Estimations and assumption are not to be stated as facts. Please look at my link for wikipedia reliable sources. The fact that you are avoiding using statscan which the main source for any statistical information on Canadian population in exchange for questionable sources or promotional sources are a violation of wikipedia standards. The way the population section has been worded is again a misrepresentation of facts.
- There is nowhere in that article statements that any survey or study or even projection has been created to achieve those numbers. These edits will be reverted and I do encourage the bringing of outside opinion into this article for you to see these violations. Wikipedia is an unbiased source all links you are providing are from sources with bias or promotional nature as well as the fact you have brought in your own personal opinion into this matter. Duhon (talk) 09:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Want to know where you are wrong? Here: I don't acknowledge StatCan when I do acknowledge it. Where my point of Sikhs having a larger population than Hindus being supported directly by StatCan numbers. Sikhs measure 35% and Hindus 28% according to StatCan. Also, Duhon, where in the world do you live, that could really help me understand your input.--Schmeater (talk) 15:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Every article on religion in Canada incorporates figures based of the statistics canada website. Look at the article for religion in canada for goodness sakes. None of the figures you have tried to include in this article are being used anywhere else. Look at the sources you are trying to use to base population figures on: "Sikh Philosophy" http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/636-sikh-population.html "United Sikhs" http://www.unitedsikhs.org/bloodsewa/canada/. Far from unbiased sources I would say. Now look at my sources: Official census documents: http://www45.statcan.gc.ca/2007/cgco_2007_001-eng.htm#t06 , http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-551-x/91-551-x2010001-eng.pdf. Source used in every other article on religion in canada.
Finally I will add the fact that you ask where I live shows how far your understanding of how to format a proper wikipedia article is. I suppose one must live on the moon to edit that article.Duhon (talk) 06:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- One other aspect. I have not edited this article outside of population references. Any other edits that have been made regarding facts outside of the population figures article have been done by other editors. If you so choose to edit them I do not have a problem along as appropriate citations is provided. Again the population should remain however.
- Hey, guys, I'm here from the 3O board. It looks like the disputes are over the population estimate sentence in the lede and the population subsection. I have to agree with Duhon here; the sources that are used to support the "400,000" and "800,000" estimates are dubious in the extreme, and should be retired in favor of the estimates from statcan. The first source supplied, from unitedsikhs.org, is a banner about a blood drive; it does not purport to be a scientific study of the Sikh population, and so is not a reliable source for this. The second source, the one from sikhphilosophy.net, comes from a forum post, and forum posts are virtually never reliable sources. The third source used, news.xinhuanet.com, also does not purport to be a scientific study, and is so wildly divergent from the statcan estimates that it really can't be given any plausibility at all; that source claims that the Sikh population in the greater Toronto area alone is 800,000, which according to that source would be 20% of the population there, whereas statcan's estimates for the entirety of Canada is only 278,000. If I had to guess, I'd say that the person who wrote that article added a zero in there, and he meant to write 80,000. Regardless, it
- Given that, I'm not sure that we even need the population subsection; all it's doing is restating what is already plainly said in the lede. Unless we can add well-sourced statements about an analysis of the population, or some other content, we should probably just remove it. Thanks, all! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- http://www45.statcan.gc.ca/2007/cgco_2007_001-eng.htm#t06 your source? Nah son, I provided this document to you a long time ago and you ignored it. Look, the population can be at 200,000 or 300,000. I put in those numbers because they existed at the time, not because they were right or wrong. This source that I originally provided but you now gave states that 34 % of Indo-Canadians of Sikhs and 28 % are Hindus meaning that Sikhs are the most populous in religion of Indo-Canadians in Canada. That is StatCan for you, Hindus can measure more in numbers, but it does not say in the writing in the other document, it does in this one. That is why I'm taking out the population section and we are putting back what was. --Schmeater (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
This is not a competition for ranking here. I've removed reference to what indo-canadian group ranks where etc. The statscan numbers have been posted as discussed and these will be the numbers used in the article. As they match up well to the numbers used in other articles detailing religious groups in canada. Hopefully this is the end of this matter.Duhon (talk) 03:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Schmeater I thought we were over this. There are no "disputes" over the numbers. The numbers used in this article are from census results and one projection of population based on that census done by statscan. Nobody disputes those numbers aside from perhaps yourself, if you're referencing your older sources as being the source of dispute we have already concluded those sources are not reliable. As well, as it has been previously discussed all references to population past or present needs to be cited there should be no exception. Duhon (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I will add one more thing you are pushing very close to pushing advocacy. Such continued violation would result in you being reported to administrators. Your personal views and opinions have no place on wikipedia. numbers and facts speak for themselves, we do not need added opinion to them. (talk) 08:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- My comments can be what they are but I can go out and say that I was trying to prove that there are more Sikhs in Canada than Hindus - that's what I thought this debate was about because StatCan said that Sikhs account for the majority of the Indo-Canadian population at 34 %; I am not using old sources. Also, you can try and threaten me but that wont change my opinion on anything. Like you said Duhon - This dispute is over. --Schmeater (talk) 21:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
English or Indo_English in Canada article ?
NDP Party Leader Thomas Mulcair would once again raise ire and tensions when he would bring up the 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots. Mulcair would demand that a full investigation be put into the riots and those harmed be compensated. Soon after this statement, neo-Nazi gunman Wade Michael Page would commence a shooting at a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, America, which would be described as a domestic terrorism act. Despite the fact that the shooting occurred outside of Canada, Canadian Sikhs would take full responsibility to spread the message of Sikhism, explain the religion, honour the dead and wounded as well as give their reactions to the shootings.