Talk:South Midlands

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As a long term resident of Oxford, I don't recognize this definition of the South Midlands at all. To me it is Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Worcestershire. I've certainly never heard the term applied to places like Corby - much too far east. I suspect the stub has been written by somebody who isn't actually familiar with the area. -- (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It's worse than that. Aylesbury Vale (and Buckinghamshire as a whole, including MK) is in the south-east - not the midlands!
Sadly though, the muppet who wrote it and isn't familiar with the area is someone from the ODPM! L.J.Skinnerwot|I did 16:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion[edit]

No such region as the "South Midlands". A cursory glance at google (with "south midlands" in inverted commas) yields 172,000, the second of which is the wikipidea page. The first, by the way, is the South Midlands Football League, and copntains clubs as far apart as Kingsbury, Tring, Milton Keynes and Cockfosters - but nothing from [{Corby]] or Northampton. L.J.Skinnerwot|I did 17:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Although the term isn't well defined, it is used extensively and a Wikipedia article is warranted, so I would oppose deletion. Central TV operated a successful and popular 'Central South' subregion based in Abingdon and Gloucester for about a decade before it was axed to save money.
More emphasis on the concept as it is actually used rather than arbitrary government usage for their own purposes would improve the article though. I'm still not keen on all this 'MK and South Midlands Growth Area' New Labour cobblers and would be happier if it were removed completely. -- (talk) 21:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


I have restructured the article to emphasise the lack of agreed definition by a series of examples. The government growth area and Joint Industrial Councils were already included in the article. I added the Spartan League because it has a Wikipedia article. I then searched for "South Midlands" and looked through the top-ranked pages for organisations that are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles and have a well-defined regional structure including the South Midlands. In this way I found Amnesty International, the Council for British Archaeology, and the Pagan Federation. JonH (talk) 14:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted most of the latest changes by User:PeterEastern because the lead no longer made the essential point that different organisations use South Midlands to refer to different areas. The list of main settlements and the 2002 report only refer to the government Milton Keynes South Midlands area, and so they do not include Oxford (see the above section on Boundaries). For this reason I moved one paragraph back to the section on that area. The wording of the article can no doubt be improved, but I think it should avoid any attempt to present a "correct" definition of the term. JonH (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I *still* think there is too much emphasis given to this 'Milton Keynes and South Midlands growth area' business, which appears to be some sort of government quango that I hadn't heard of before I encountered it here. Governments (and particularly the post 1997 Labour government and the ODPM) are very keen on making arbitrary geographical groupings like this which have little significance on the ground. There is clearly some disagreement concerning what this article should be about though, so I won't modify it. -- (talk) 10:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Like it or not, there is a government definition of SM, so we have to reflect it. We don't have many usages with as solid a citation as this one. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2009 (UTC)