Talk:Stadium district

This page was nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion on 2021 June 14. The result of the discussion was speedy delete.

A fact from Stadium district appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 August 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that mixed-use stadium districts around major sports venues often include public squares, office space, hotels and residential units?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Battery Atlanta, an example of a stadium district

... that mixed-use stadium districts (example pictured) around major sports venues often include public squares, office space, hotels and residential units? Source: Various — see the sources in the "Characteristics" section

Reviewed: Chris Gittens
Comment: Thanks to TNats3 for starting this and leaving it in draftspace when he opted to create a more anonymous user account. This is rather different from my normal DYK fare.

Moved to mainspace by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Could we have a more specific source cited here? "Various—go look at the article" is not how we do it. Daniel Case (talk) 04:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Daniel Case: Hotels, offices, apartments; public squares Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that because the list of examples is predominantly North American, the article appears to be a work in progress rather than representing a global view. I think there should be a few examples listed from each continent to give the appearance of a start level article. The list of examples contains no citations and also appears like a WP:LINKFARM. I hope this is constructive criticism. I am willing to complete the full DYK review with some changes to the list of examples. Flibirigit (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - ?
Neutral: - ?
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article was moved to the mainspace and nominated the same day, therefore meets newness requirements. The length of the article is adequate but could be improved with a more global view. The article lacks citations for the list of examples, please see comment above. No plagiarism issues were detected. The tone of the article is slanted towards North America, please see comment above. The proposed hook is reasonably interesting, mentioned in the article, properly cited, and verified by the sources. The images used in the article are freely licensed on the Commons. The image nominated with the hook is clear at a low resolution, used in the article and would enhance the hook. QPQ requirement has been completed. Flibirigit (talk) 14:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Flibirigit, thanks for the review. While I've bolstered the list, let me address the larger structural issue, which is North America slant. This is inherent to the topic. These types of master-developed projects are rare outside North American sports because of the economic model involved (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium being an unusual exception). The ownership model and structure are just completely different outside of the North American context, and finding those examples will be very hard to impossible to do. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think it's possible to add a citation to say that a stadium district is a North American phenomena? Another Canadian example might be Lansdowne Park in Ottawa. I feel like some of the recently built Olympic Stadiums or venues for the finals in the World Cup of Soccer might be examples, but I haven't read through them all yet. Overall, the recent changes you made are very constructive. Flibirigit (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone through articles on Olympic Stadiums and could not find examples of districts outside of North America. This article might help explain the design strategy of the stadium districts from an architectural point of view. At this point, I think the list of examples and this discussion are sufficient. Let me know if you found anything else before I approve the review. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 18:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting read, but I'm trying to avoid articles like this from developers as references. (Cordish had a lot of press releases.) I also am cognizant this is going to be a growing list over time (that article mentions one completed project in Denver and a second under construction on Long Island). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:23, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aprroving ALT0. I am satisfied with the changes to the list to meet sourcing requirements. As per the discussion above and my own research, there are few examples outside of North America and I am satisfied that a reasonable effort has been made to represent a global view and that the tone is accordingly sufficient. Flibirigit (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]