Talk:Stand Up (Jethro Tull album)
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- Per no reply, I have moved the articles to Stand Up (Jethro Tull album) and Stand Up (Dave Matthews Band album). --taestell 19:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
What a shame that there's not a single article for any of the songs on this album -- so disappointing. By my reckoning, at least half of the songs are deserving of their own articles. I hope there's somebody out there who cares enough get them started! Cgingold (talk) 12:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Are you kidding? It's ridiculous even that there are separate entries for each of these albums, even the really obscure ones such as Under Wraps. Wikipedia should change its name to Wikitrivia. TheScotch (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
We Used to Know
There is no evidence that this song was the inspiration for Hotel California; not only do accounts from the Eagles themselves dispute this claim, but the Tull website, cited as a source, makes absolutely no claim to this affect, and mentions neither song nor the Eagles themselves in the short article on Stand Up.
- Re: "...accounts from the Eagles themselves dispute [the] claim [that]" "this song was the inspiration for Hotel California":
- I shouldn't wonder since inspiration is here being used as a dubious euphemism for thing plagiarized. (The chord progression--and it's a fairly elaborate one--is identical. This suggests not that "Hotel California" was "inspired" by "We Used to Know", but that it stole from "We Used to Know", although it's certainly possible--just not very likely--that the Eagles arrived at it independently.) TheScotch (talk) 07:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- During an interview of Ian Anderson conducted and recorded by Carl Wiser of SongFacts.com, Ian considers the reuse of his chord progression by the Eagles in Hotel California more of a "tribute" to Jethro Tull rather than plagiarism; the recorded interview can be heard here, and here is the transcript for that part of the interview:
- Songfacts: Your song "We Used To Know" is certainly an influence on "Hotel California." Can you talk about that?
- Ian: It was a piece of music that we were playing around the time… I believe it was late '71, maybe early '72 when we were on tour and we had a support band who had been signed up for the tour, and subsequently, before the tour began, had a hit single. The song, I believe, called "Take It Easy." And they were indeed the Eagles. We didn't interact with them very much because they were countrified laid back polite rock, and we were a bit wacky and English and doing weird stuff. And I don't think they liked us, and we didn't much like them. There was no communication, really, at all. Just a polite observance of each other's space when it came to sound checks and show time. But they probably heard us play the song, because that would have featured in the sets back then, and maybe it was just something they kind of picked up on subconsciously, and introduced that chord sequence into their famous song "Hotel California" sometime later. But, you know, it's not plagiarism. It's just the same chord sequence. It's in a different time signature, different key, different context. And it's a very, very fine song that they wrote, so I can't feel anything other than a sense of happiness for their sake. And I feel flattered that they came across that chord sequence. But it's difficult to find a chord sequence that hasn't been used, and hasn't been the focus of lots of pieces of music. It's harmonic progression is almost a mathematical certainty you're gonna crop up with the same thing sooner or later if you sit strumming a few chords on a guitar.
Re: "...the Tull website, cited as a source, makes absolutely no claim to this affect, and mentions neither song nor the Eagles themselves in the short article on Stand Up...":
This might depend whether you consider things linked part of the website. Ian Anderson has repeatedly suggested in interviews that "Hotel California" derives from "We Used to Know", specifically mentioning by name both songs and the Eagles. (He puts a bit of comic spin on the matter and says he forgives the Eagles, but then he has to worry about alienating Jethro Tull adherents who might also be Eagles adherents.) This article would be within its rights to quote Ian Anderson about this directly, I think--and then it might quote directly the Eagles's rebuttal, if there be, as you maintain, such an animal. TheScotch (talk) 09:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- The jethrotull.com webwite under the "discography" section, under "Stand Up" now has a sidebar in which it says that "We Used to Know" was the "inspiration" for the Eagles's "Hotel California" and explains that Henley heard "We Used to Know" while "touring" with Jethro Tull. I doubt that Jethro Tull would post this without some sort of (presumably belated) acknowledgement from Henley, but I must protest again that this way of putting it does violence to the English language: Henley wasn't "inspired" by "We Used to Know"; he stole its chord progression. TheScotch (talk) 11:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd probably rate Stand Up in my list of the ten greatest albums of all time, but hard rock? Bearing in mind that this came out the same year as Puple Haze, Paranoid and Silver Machine, is that a fair classification? The Yowser (talk) 10:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Stand Up was released in 1969, Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze" in 1967, Black Sabbath's Paranoid in 1970, and Hawkwind's "Silver Machine" in 1972, none the same year, and Black Sabbath and Hawkwind were heavy metal or proto-heavy-metal, not hard rock. (How you personally rank Stand Up is entirely irrelevant.) Anyway, yes, Stand Up is largely hard rock -- bluesy, jazzy hard rock, as it happens, with a preponderance of triple meter. (Compare, by the way, Jethro Tull's first record, This Was, with Cream's earlier first record, Fresh Cream, and note the obvious modeling.)TheScotch (talk) 08:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
According to Allmusic, the first track is the only real definitive blues rock on the album, and I agree.
There is something very wrong with the dates published in Nollen's book. It reports that the album was still in the recording stage in August 1969 and was relased in September. The album charted at No. 1 on 9 August 1969, so those dates are obviously wrong. Rabey reports the release two days before the chart entrance (7 August) and another source (M.C. Strong) has it released at the end of July instead. By the way, the Official Charts site reports "Sweet Dream" as charting at No. 7 not 5. Can someone shed some light on the matter? Lewismaster (talk) 21:05, 19 March 2016 (UTC)