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OK, be gentle. 'Star Wars Day' is a well-known joke, and I hope I've managed to make the intent of this article clear. If it's excluded from Wikipedia because it's a joke, then some later inclusion will hijack the phenomenon, as has happened with eats shoots and leaves. I've adhered to factual content as far as I possibly can with a first attempt. If further notable refs can be found for the Star Wars Day joke, please add them. If someone can come up with official registration evidence for one of the groups claiming to be Jedi churches who promote a Star Wars Day, please feel free to add to the official section - but remember that 'Star Wars Day / May the 4th be with you' was first a joke. There's a long discussion on the Talk:May 4 page about its inclusion there, please don't hassle the anti-vandal squad on May 4 without first contributing to that discussion. SeanCollins (talk) 05:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I admit at first I was skeptical that this page should exist. But as it exists now it looks pretty good. Kudos on all the citations. If anyone tries to get it deleted I'll be around to help improve it even more. -FrankTobia (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

May 25th[edit]

OK, there's an edit skirmish going on. I read the cited article, and it mentions only 25th May, never 25th May 2007. There's a text version of the document at starwars.com that includes the text '25th May 2007', but their version is subtly different to the council archive version. The council's version must be superior. The archived agenda item does mention 2007, but perhaps the final resolution was more generous. I've emailed LA City Council asking for clarification, perhaps that will help. SeanCollins (talk) 07:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm glad that you're attempting to clear it up. It's nice that there are actual people on here who care about accuracy. I hope I'm not coming across as rude with all of those edits. Dates in the council resolutions only pertain to the year in which they are brought to the legislature. Kudos to you for actually emailing the LA City Council; for additional clarification, you can go to the following PDF: [1] which notes the council's final action on the resolution. It has a subject line that states "DECLARING MAY 25, 2007..." on the first page. I will go ahead and leave the article as it is right now, and let you decide, as creator of the article, if you feel that it is enough information to make the edit. I hope that helps. Debigboy (talk) 06:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


I initially interpreted the resolution the same way since clearly the actual resolution text, while enacted in 2007 (May 1st?), does not specify that the designation is only for that year. However, all the other sources (and coverage I can find on the web) assume they meant just 2007, which is a reasonable assumption. (No mention anywhere of preparations for Star Wars Day 2008 either.) My sense is that these sorts of "declared days" are not intended for perpetuity, but one-offs. (it doesn't show up on any schedule for this year that I can find).
On the other hand, it looks like the city council is perfectly capable of specifying a scope for the year, for example: Ruben Salazar Day 2008 Hollywood Reporter Day 2008 WORLD AIDS DAY 2007 Los Angeles Literacy Day 2006. So leaving it off for Star Wars Day seems unusual. Given the nature of the honoree, it is conceivable that the Day is meant to be recurring. While an official response from the Council would be helpful, typically getting an email is not WP:Verifiable. I think that policy may be helpful here...
  • we can verify that Star Wars Day occurred in 2007 (there are news reports
  • we cannot verify that there will be a Star Wars Day in 2008 or future days (no news reports)
I say we wait until there are more verifiable sources before documenting that Star Wars Days recurs every year. From a practical perspective, I think it is unlikely... from a strict reading of the actual resolution passed... we can believe!--Marcinjeske (talk) 06:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

That email brought the reply

I am not sure if anyone ever got back with you, so I am e-mailing in response to your question regarding "Star Wars Day". According to the Council Action on May 9, 2007, only the day of May 25, 2007 is referenced. Therefore, the Resolution was adopted to name only May 25, 2007 as "Star Wars Day".

I hope this is helpful. Please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.

Sharon Dickinson

<sob>

This is original research though, so I feel quite justified in sulking and not making the change back to 25th May 2007 only. SeanCollins (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There is another reason for not having Star Wars day on 25th May. That date is reserved for Towel day. One day of celebration at time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.43.228 (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

urban dictionary[edit]

the example in conversation looks a lot like an urban dictionary entry.  мдснєтє тдлкЅТЦФФ 19:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Controversy section[edit]

I deleted the Controversy section as it was completely unnecessary. There was no indication that there was any "controversy," but merely the idea that some people (sourced only as the people from urban dictionary, apparently) call it Jedi Day. If we want to work it into the title that it is also known as Jedi Day that's fine, but I would think we need to do better than a single urbandictionary entry with only 34 ratings on it to begin with. Stever Augustus (talk) 23:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a thought, but perhaps it's worth noting that May 4th has other potentially sensitive associations; for instance look up the following phrase: "Tin soldiers and Nixon coming..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob99999999 (talkcontribs) 16:10, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

May 4th vs. May 25th[edit]

These should be a noted difference between May 4th (which is usually called “Jedi Day” as it is inspired by the common Jedi greeting “May the force be with you), and May 25th (which is “Star Wars Day” as it is the anniversary of the 1977 release date of Star Wars IV: A New Hope).

While the latter is a celebration of the whole Star Wars universe, the former has a more focused emphasis on mythos of the Jedi and the Force. Sg647112c (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Shallow People[edit]

Star Wars is not just for geeks. Anyone can like it and almost everyone does. Geeks just give it a bad name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.20.48 (talk) 03:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


Edit from article[edit]

Someone inserted into the article, unsourced. Interesting anecdote, so I thought I would add it here:

I was present when my assistant Zoe Whittiker came up with the idea of "May the 4th be with you" while shooting Star Wars Episode 3 in the UK Janurary 2005, I made her tell Rick McCallum who told her to tell George Lucas. This gag was new to them and Zoe suggested that they release Episode III on this day. They both laughed and found it entertaining but everything was already set for the release on the 19th of May 2005 which could not be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DFS (talkcontribs) 17:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Count Duckula[edit]

'May the Fourth Be with you' was used on a British chrildren's television program called Count Duckula. The episode is 'The Vampire Strikes back' (1988). This could be the earliest use.

68.144.10.151 (talk) 03:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Jedi Church[edit]

I noticed that in the footnotes of this article there is a reference to Jedi-church.com, yet in the Jediism article, the reference is to Jedichurch.org. Should we add both references to both articles? or just find one that represents 'the church' correctly and keep it on both?

This came from re-re-reading one paragraph on this page:

  • Despite efforts to start a Jediism Church with May 4 as its Star Wars Day...there is no religion-supporting organization that promotes May 4 as Star Wars Day apart from the Church of Jediism.

So is there such a church or not??

Thanks, WesT (talk) 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

So in reaction to my comment the entire paragraph was removed??? Can we consider putting it back? I was only concerned about the two different web addresses for the Jedi Church.
WesT (talk) 05:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Template[edit]

Is there really any point the template on this article? All it says is "Star Wars Day" and "May 4". Alphius 22:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thatcher advert/ Hansard?[edit]

"when Margaret Thatcher was elected Britain's first female Prime Minister on May 4, 1979, her party placed an advertisement in The London Evening News that said "May the Fourth Be with You, Maggie. Congratulations."[3] This reading of the line has also been recorded in the UK Parliament's Hansard.[4]"

I'm British, born in 1980 (remember Margaret Thatcher, & the us Star Wars getting headlines later in the decade, been interested in politics/recent social/political history & geek stuff for over 20 years) and have never heard this before - if true surely it would'be been mentioned in magazine coverage of the films over the years even if just as trivia , and somebody (even if just as gossip/internet do you remember that Maggie star wars advert nostalgia) would have mentioned / written about it in the recent outpouring of coverage after Thatcher's death?

The paragraph is a slightly treaked c&p from a translation of the cited article - http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Kultur/2011/05/04/134815.htm?rss=true a Danish article from 2011 (posted on a Danish tv website) about Star War Day that gives no source(s) for that information.

Apart from blog articles and fan forums just quoting this article or wikipedia & repeating the factoid I've found this on a blog - might give a more reliable source, shame it doesn't say where/when this article was published.

"According to Lucasfilm’s archives, one of the earliest known uses of the punny greeting in popular culture comes from a 1979 newspaper ad congratulating Margaret Thatcher on her historic election as Britain’s first woman prime minister:

This message, referring to the day of victory, was “May the Fourth Be With You, Maggie. Congratulations.”

(This nugget comes from author Alan Arnold, who wrote about the making of The Empire Strikes Back for Lucasfilm.)" - http://blogs.evtrib.com/nerdvana/events/may-the-4th-be-with-you-margaret-thatcher/92610/ (quote/claim might be in his book Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - anyone got a copy?

The Hansard record in citation 4 has no connection to the advert but records a genuine use of the phrase - recognised as a bad pun on May the 4th *1994* - about the right year I heard Chris Evens on BBC Radio One make the same joke on their breakfast show, about it being 'Star Wars Day, May the Fourth be with you". Looks like even if it was used in 79 it wasn't til the almost mid-90s it suddenly went popular/viral (jokes being shared via the relatively new world wide web?) - at least in Britain.

The Hansard transcript says - House Of Commons Hansard Debates for 4 May 1994 Debate 6 Column 786 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199394/cmhansrd/1994-05-04/Debate-6.html#Debate-6_spnew7 "May the fourth is an appropriate date for a defence debate. My researcher, who is a bit of a wit, said that it should be called national star wars day. He was talking about the film "Star Wars" rather than President Reagan's defence fantasy, and he added, "May the fourth be with you." That is a very bad joke ; he deserves the sack for making it, but he is a good researcher." 109.224.137.121 (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Would the advert have been printed in the London Evening News or The Evening News (London) that merged with the Evening Standard? cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Evening_News

Not sure who wrote this, but thank you for your research. I have, in the meantime, downgraded this claim to "apocryphal" before it becomes citogenetic. (Better words? Check papers?) I might look in the papers for that day next time I go to the British Library.Ian McDonald (talk) 12:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Metaphors be with you[edit]

While we are indulging in bad puns, this is an old bumpersticker from 30 years ago or so. Zeno Cosini (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Zeno Cosini

The Big Bang Theory[edit]

I'd be remiss not to mention it was a pivotal plot point of the May 1, 2014 episode. The_Iconoclast (talk) 02:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Netherlands[edit]

Well i had some pretty hardcore star wars friends but i never heard of this day. Now i know why. It's a sad holiday in The Netherlands, Remembrance of the Dead. I guess it's not really worth mentioning that that's why star wars day is not a thing in my country? PizzaMan (♨♨) 15:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit]

I've been trying to add image to the article's infobox, but no matter what I try to do with the size, it won't resize. These are latest the parameters I've tried. Please correct me o anything I'm doing wrong with the size and add the image to the infobox.

image = File:Star Wars Day logo.jpg (Brackets removed so it won't fill up the page.)
size = 200x72.275px
alt =
caption = The unofficial logo of the Star Wars Day holiday.

Thank you. --Super3588 (talk) 21:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)