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- 1 Wrestling, grappling or fighting
- 2 Abu Dhabi?
- 3 It's NOT called "Submission arts wrestling"
- 4 FILA and Submission Wrestling
- 5 This article should focus on submission wrestling as a sport...
- 6 made some changes
- 7 Section on FILA grappling
- 8 Do NOT kill the text when there's a red link, just change the link into plain text
Wrestling, grappling or fighting
I have a question over the name of this article. Personally, I prefer the term "submission grappling" over "submission wrestling" because of its broader applicability. I don't know of many judoka who would call themselves "wrestlers", just like those with wrestling backgrounds wouldn't call themselves "judoka", but both would call themselves "grapplers". Same goes for martial artists in sambo, BJJ, JJJ, etc.
As for "submission fighting", I haven't heard it used much before, and I am wondering if it is more of a MMA term and implies striking as well.
What has kept me from just switching the article over to "submission grappling" is that whoever first created it felt for some reason that "submission wrestling" was the name of the activity, and Google tends to agree with him:
- "Submission wrestling": 37,500 results 
- "Submission grappling": 8,740 
- "Submission fighting": 13,300 results 
Assuming no one replies within a week (like usual), I will make the changes I think best.
Aesopian 17:20, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
"I agree that submission grappling is more accurate. However, in my neighborhood it seems to be more often referred to as submission wrestling too. I say keep the page but note the more accurate terminology." -- Quantum Jim 05:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I've always used the term "submission wrestling", and on occasion "grappling." Often times the term is in reference to the actual art, and other times it is used in contrast with stand-up, striking arts (kickboxing in my case). --Todd 08:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Sunmission wrestling is more widely used, as for the Judokas, Judo (representing the most popular form of jacket wrestling) is the fourth major form of widely practiced amature wrestling according to the sanctioning body FILA, other major forms include Greco Roman (representing the most popular form of above the waist wrestling), Freestyle (representing rules offering most reigonal styles optimum conditions) and Sambo (representing the most popular form of combat wrestling), what more can I say ?? Freedom skies 04:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Thought it odd to find no mention of the abu dhabi world submission events on this page. I am trying to get a dismabiguation note added to the abu dhabi (territory and city page) page. I can't find any sign of it elsewhere.
Trench 20:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
ADCC's World Tournament seems to be a very good tournament based on the people who fought in it. However, I'm kinda new to the sport so I don't know how it compares with NAGA, Grappler's Quest (to name a few I'm familier with) or other tournaments around. If ADCC is to grappling what The Masters is to Golf, then add it to the page. If several other simular tournaments can be listed as well, then please do too! :-) IMHO, all of the Grappling BJJ Submission Wrestling and other pages need significant refactoring. As I gain more experience, I'll help out where I can. -- Jimmy C. 17:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I still feel basically the same, but upon further reflection ADCC seems much bigger (or higher level) than NAGA or Grappler's question. Perhaps you can enumerate other tournaments on that level? -- Jimmy C. 06:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
On even more research, I think ADCC needs mentioned as the "world championship of no-gi grappling" or something simular. I am finding an authority to help with this article. Feel free to add content in the meantime, like all of the WikiWay. :-) -- Jimmy C. 04:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
In terms of a Submission Wrestling/Grappling Tournament (knockout format), then the ADCC Championships are the most prestigious tournament (both in terms of size of prize money and calibre of contestants). NAGA and Grapplers quest, whilst very popular in the US, are not quite at the same level (although it should be noted that the promoter of Grapplers Quest, Brian Cimins, is also associated with ADCC and promoted the 2005 tournament. The LA SUB X competition (a superfight format tournament) could grow to rival ADCC given its similarly high level of prize money and the competitors it attracts. -- J Sho 11:28, 25/07/06 (UTC)
It's NOT called "Submission arts wrestling"
User 126.96.36.199 is constantly changing "submission wrestling" into "submission arts wrestling". "Submission arts wrestling" only scores 242 hits on google, compared to 375000 for "submission wrestling", 120000 for "submission grappling" and 141000 for "submission fighting". The insistence is indicative of marketing or advertisement, since it is clear that the term isn't suitable for an encyclopedia. Stop editing it. ---Marcus- 07:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed "Arts" again from the general title, since Hidetaka Aso created SUBMISSION ARTS WRESTLING ( SAW ) and thus it's a sub-stile of Submission Wrestling. I will put the SAW description with the other styles. Hopefully this will end the permanent editing to enter "Arts" in the general title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
FILA and Submission Wrestling
I've begun adding this info to the page but would appreciate fine-tuning.
This article should focus on submission wrestling as a sport...
This article already focus in that. The article Grappling will focus on grappling in general. This way we can focus correctly in the different aspects on each article, linking to each other where appropriate. Regards Loudenvier 19:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
made some changes
I removed bits such as the statement that sub wrestling incorporates shooto and shootfighting techniques as these sports incorporates muay thai and catch wrestling and catch wrestling has already been stated as something which sub wrestling draws some of it's techniques from. Hope you all agree. Bjorn I. Clever (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Section on FILA grappling
I am going to remove the subsection on FILA grappling, as it was mostly a copy&paste job of the official FILA description anyways. I will link the description under "types" to the section in the Grappling article concerning that particular topic as opposed to Submission Wrestling as a whole. If anyone thinks this could be handled more elegantly, please discuss. 184.108.40.206 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC).
Combat Submission Wrestling is a very known style of Shooto/MMA created by Erik Paulson. There are affiliate schools worlwide.
Submission Arts Wrestling is also a style of submission wrestling with affliate schools in Japan, the U.K. and the U.S.A.