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October 2006

Please cite the book or reference when making subjective statements like the following: "Telugu Brahmins are known for their highest accomplishments in religious, social, economic, political, cultural and scientific endeavors". I am not saying you are wrong. I am just telling you the Wiki recommendations to avoid deletion.
I've added the NPOV tag, as this article appears to be little more than a fluff piece on a specific caste, with very little verifiable research.

If this article isn't fixed, I may suggest it as an Article for Deletion. Kevin 07:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, I would say it's not a fluff piece, but the facts listed here are true..I agree that it might need a good verbiage to put in place of the current one. So I would not suggest deleting the article.

Thyaga - 8th Oct 7.23 AM EST

Bye the way who are Mr.Kevin ? there are many many articles that are really useless ...go and check them If you need more evidence or stuff plz refer works of Jogendra Bhattcharya, Nilankant Sastry.If you continue to post some NPOV tag you with little knowledge just insulting our community which we can't tolerate.-Pragada

I'm a Wikipedian. It isn't my job to seek out every "useless" article and sort through them by their imaginary rank of usefulness. The fact of the matter is that I am not the only person who has tagged this as POV. Rather than vandalize this page and the article's page, why not spend time improving the article by adding 'neutral' and 'verifiable' sources? I honestly don't care if "your community" is insulted by virtue of intolerance of an article that's self-fulfilling, rather than factual.

Either fix the page, or keep up the vandalism and wait for someone to ban you. Kevin 04:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.Kevin for your kind info i was just removing the NPOV tag from this article.idon't know it comes under vandal....okok

You also deleted the template suggesting that this article be merged. Both are considered vandalism here, when the issue(s) have not been resolved. Kevin 06:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

detailed info on people

If the person we are mentioning is a famous person, and known for everyone, why cant we create another page for them, and keep this as a reference list? For instance, Madhavapeddi.

In addition, can we have a person's name listed at a single sublist and give their qualities in their pages? That we can have unique names and provide more info. suggestions. కిరణ్మయి (talk) 22:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC) (Kiranmayee)[reply]

I think thats a great idea Kiranmayee! That way, we can expand the substance, or import, of the subject as a category, versus its current status, as Kevin rightly puts it, as a fluff piece. --Gñāna (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of telugu brahmins page was wantedly deleated.

List of telugu brahmins page was wantedly deleated. Srakesh448 (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PV Sindhu and PV Narasimha Rao are Telugu Bramhins

PV Sindhu and PV Narasimha Rao are Telugu Bramhins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.61.100.157 (talk) 12:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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As with any other article on Wikipedia, statements made in this article need to be verifiable and that is achieved by citing reliable sources. It is no good adding extra spoken languages etc, as has been happening recently, unless we have some means to comply with these basic encyclopaedic requirements. - Sitush (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Required status column for Telaga caste. Mark as Forward caste

Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.

Telaga Caste

Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Fuedal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra. They have the caste title Naidu, Dora. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category.

Contents Sub Castes

Origins

Legend

Telaga Names

Sub Castes The other SubCastes or Geographical Names of Telagas are

Kapu

Balija / Balija Naidu

Munnuru Kapu

Turpu Kapu

Ontari

Naidu

Origins The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialised in warfare.

The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.

The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors),commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin.These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also might have been derived Telaga.

They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas,Pallavas,Chalukyas,Kakatiyas etc.They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas.

The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasity. Etukuri Balaramamurthy and Colin McKenzie in fact mentione that these Telagas or Kapu communnity are the Descendants of these were these Telugu Cholas.

Telugu Cholas The Telugu Cholas rules for over Four Centuries the various regions of Andhra.

Important ruling Clans were

Velanati Choluluof Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju.

Renati Cholas

Konidena Cholas

Nannuru Cholas

Nellore Chola Kings

After the fall of the Easten Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas had to serve under the Kakateeyas as Vassals and accept their Suzzienarity.Under the new rulers they were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra.

After the fall of the Kakateeyas the Telagas under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Reddy,Velama and Balija Nayaks and liberated the Andhra Country from Tyrranny nd Destruction.

Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers.Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last Dynasity of Viajayanagar was a Tealaga. This family was a Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due cource of time.

With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were Dispatched off to Protect the farflung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga General was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasit. -- Source Penugonda Charitra..

After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their Native Country the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture.And some of them went further South and settled down in the Tanjavur region and joined the Tanjavur Nayaks Army.

Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telrugu Saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga".Even now we can find swords,armours and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry.All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami has their family deity.

Another Legendary Instance of Telaga Bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram kingdom led by Vijayaram raju. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli Ranga Rayudu the Bobbili King before riding out to war in no mood to submit the honour and the Dignity of the Royal House Ordered all of his commanders to Execute their Families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama Commanders and Soldiers Executed their families before proceeding out to war. Viajayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga Commander Miriyala Venkata Rao along with Papa Rayudu. -- Bobbili Charitra

Legend Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are fuedal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra.

Telaga Names The Telagas are also called Naidu and they also have prefixes like Setty and Reddy in their names denoting their Profession

Popular Surnames

Some of the surnames are derived from the Weapons used by this warrior community Sunkara, Tupakula, Kathula

And Other Surnames are Village names and Names which came out of their Professions having suffixes like Setty and Reddy KATIKIREDDY, Putta, puppala, gundubilli, Nagam, Reddipalli, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, Chinimilli, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, Doddi, Vuragayala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Konidela, Nalanagula, Allu, Kota, Kaikala, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Vangaveeti, Addagarla, Sunkara, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Chodisetty, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota,Tuta, Mallepudi, Koppana,Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Surabattula, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Yalavarthi, Tanneru, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, vungarala, pinaka, Pinisetty, kethinidi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, ghanta, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, Singamsetty, Sanam, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, sirigineedi, kunapareddi, nagireddi, mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala and arava — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:D493:2FA0:802D:893B (talk) 04:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics

@User:MRRaja001 Explain your addition on demographics here and reach a consensus before adding numbers from non-academic sources. Where were those numbers published? In which journal? How come Brahmin population nearly increased by 200% as compared to last caste Census data? How are Brahmins in such a high number than Reddys and other castes which are mentioned as having a large population in many sources. Reo kwon (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Reo kwon: See Reddy's are higher in number in Rayalaseema region not in Telangana. So their population is high only in Andhra Pradesh not in Telangana. Coming to your arguments, the present Andhra Pradesh was then in 1931 part of Madras State until the formation of Andhra State. Hyderabad state which is now known as Telangana not part of Andhra State until it got Independence from Nizams in 1956. So, this 1931 data is only for Andhra Pradesh state not for Telangana. In 1953, Andhra State was formed which includes regions of North Andhra, Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions. Telangana was not part of this Andhra State until the formation of United Andhra Pradesh in 1956. So, as per your logic in Andhra Pradesh, the percentage is still mentioned as 3.8 which is not much higher since 1931. Hope I answered you. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 12:22, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reddy population is also high in Telangana. All other sources put the Brahmin population in Andhra and Telangana at not more than 3-5%. Even many academic sources don't give a figure more than the 3% figure present in the last caste census. The report does not say the source of those numbers and instead only quotes the Times of India. Such an extraordinary increase in numbers calls for academic sources which cite those numbers. Reo kwon (talk) 12:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Reo kwon: If you don't believe in Deccan Chronicle why do you believe in Times of India report either. Times of India publishes all bogus numbers highlighting just Reddy's and Kammas everywhere. See these articles from Times of India.Brahmins, Velamas and Vysyas roughly constitute 3% of the population in both Telugu states, while Reddys constitute 7% and Kammas 5% of the population. In one article they'll tell Brahmins are 3% in this article they're combining three communities and declaring their combined number as 3%. isn't this bogus number. How is it possible? - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 12:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly my point. All these newspaper reports have less credibility. We need either census reports or academic sources to ascertain the actual numbers. Newspaper numbers are dubious unless they are reporting published information from a journal or from a governmental organization.

The figure you added based on the old census is a very good addition as it is from an official source. Even Outlook's survey does not seem too bad as they have actually done some research to find out the actual numbers. The rest of the newspaper reports are very wild and have ranges that vary very widely. We need to be cautious about adding them. Reo kwon (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Reo kwon: Okay then, lets leave it like that. Don't add any newspapers reports until we get official report from government. Thanks for discussing. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 14:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. That works. Reo kwon (talk) 14:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]