Talk:The Baptism of Christ (Verrocchio and Leonardo)

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@Mirandaa51o: I briefly glanced at your expansion of the article, and applaud you for working so diligently to further our coverage of this important work, but I would ask you either to wait for other editors to review it, or simply add your improvements one bit at a time. Ideally IMO anyone would be able to compare revisions and see the improvements, without having to read the versions side by side. UpdateNerd (talk) 08:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Seconded, I appreciate the effort and time but such a massive all at once expansion should be taken a look at first unless it is clearly impeccable – which at the moment I don't think it is. For one thing, the expansion has too much certainty, Leonardo is not 100% known to have assisted Verrochio, this is merely what is "generally agreed upon" which is why the current article says "painter Andrea del Verrocchio and generally ascribed to him and his pupil Leonardo da Vinci". Vasari should never be cited unless it is an observation/opinion/quote directly from him. The page ranges for Isaacson don't really help with verifiability etc. Aza24 (talk) 08:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help @UpdateNerd: and @Aza24:, we are working on this for a class project on Renaissance Art (I'm the professor). Sorry, before I thought I was doing some edits to @Mirandaa51o:'s sandbox, but didn't realize I was actually working in an older version of the article. I didn't mean to revert back to her edits. Thanks for your patience with this. I'm happy to work with you and @Mirandaa51o: on perfecting her edits. Can we proceed by having her add her edits to the articles section by section? Rmmiller364 (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Rmmiller364, sorry, normally I would be completely fine with a WP:BOLD expansion, especially for a class room setting, but these Leonardo paintings are so controversial they often need to be taken slower. It took me around half a year just to neutrally flesh out the intricacies of Portrait of a Musician – although those complications aren't as present for The Baptism. I would say the Miranda's Subject Matter and (to a lesser extent) history sections were spot on; I'm mostly concerned about the "Leonardo's Involvement" section. If we're going to expand this, we may as well do it right. To get back to your suggestion, I would say the two most reasonable approaches are either her adding section by section (presumably in the order of Subject matter, history, then involvement), or we can all go through the sandbox draft and figure it out there. Best - Aza24 (talk) 08:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

No problems Rmmiller364. 1) I'm glad to hear that this is for a school project; Wikipedia is a great place to learn and maybe school is a great place to learn how to use Wikipedia! If you need any general guidance, WP:HOW is a resourceful place to start—although in my experience, editing is for the most part pretty self-explanatory and others will point you in the right direction whenever a certain guideline or policy may not be obvious. As long as a serious effort is being made to improve the article, each edit will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Please be descriptive in the edit summary as far as what's being changed (large unexplained changes being one of the biggest reasons for any good-faith reverts I make). Citing Vasari is often questionable because he seemed to rely on rumors and imagination, or at least failed to cite his sources when he had them. He's more reliable when it comes to artists like Michelangelo, with whom he had a personal friendship. Hope these notes help. Best, UpdateNerd (talk) 08:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@UpdateNerd: and @Aza24: Thanks for the guidance. I'll meet with my student soon and we'll talk over all of this, make improvements as you have suggested, and try again, this time, moving things piece-by-piece with descriptive edit summaries.

@UpdateNerd: and @Aza24: Here's an update on what we've been doing. @Mirandaa51o: and I have been working together to make improvements. She moved over the subject section and I think we have really good revisions made to the History section which she will move over today. Still working on the Leonardo's Involvement section. Rmmiller364 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Great work Mirandaa51o and Rmmiller364. This is a vast improvement over the former state of the article. Hope to see more such contributions in the future. Cheers, UpdateNerd (talk) 08:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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