Talk:The Betty White Show (1952 TV series)

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A fact from The Betty White Show (1952 TV series) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that The Betty White Show was the subject of significant controversy after Betty White refused to fire a black cast member?

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Amakuru (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that The Betty White Show was cancelled in 1954 after Betty White refused to fire a black cast member?~~ Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/12/31/betty-white-arthur-duncan-racism/
- ALT1: ... that The Betty White Show was the subject of significant controversy after Betty White refused to fire a black cast member?
- Comment: I know this is stretching the rules a bit, but since this is so relevant to current events it would be great to run this ASAP

Created by Oiyarbepsy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:31, 1 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Oiyarbepsy: Date and hook fine. However this is currently a little too short at 1,252 characters (it needs 1,500). QPQ is not needed as this is his first nomination, just needs to be expanded then ping me and I'll have another look at it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @The C of E: Ok, I've expanded, I'm pretty sure it's at 1500 now. BTW, I did a QPQ, of Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Catherine_Omanyo, I just didn't get it into the template correctly. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 11:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Much better with expansion so its now over the limit and QPQ done. Good to go ASAP then. Just a note @Oiyarbepsy:, you can check the length by using this tool. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Oiyarbepsy and The C of E: I was going to promote this, but HITC isn't the most reliable source for this hook—is there a better source we could use? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 21:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - I swapped out the HITC source for the Washington Post, it seems to cover the same points in the article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 04:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Except—the Washington Post and HITC disagree about the validity of the claim that the show was directly cancelled because of white's opposition. Given the reliability disparity, I'm inclined to defer to the Washington Post and say that there's no clear indication of a causality. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 05:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - The hook doesn't really assert a direct causation, and both the WP and HITC agree that Duncan was a factor in the show's cancellation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oiyarbepsy (talk • contribs)
        Hmm, not sure? from the Washington Post: It’s unclear whether her decision to keep Duncan affected the show’s fate, but it was repeatedly rescheduled for different time slots before quietly being taken off the air that same year. In other words, it's saying "did this affect anything? no idea, but it sure looks fishy". They're very careful not to say that it had a clear effect. And to be honest, if I wanted to write a hook that did assert causality, ALT0 is how I would write it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        I just made an edit to a related article that used text from this article and I left off something similar while doing so because of the text from the Washington Post. The only helpful this I can suggest (and more to Oiyarbepsy) is that the information from The Washington Post seems to be based on a PBS documentary called Pioneers of Television: Betty White - First Lady of Television. Perhaps that might help in some form. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        @The C of E and Oiyarbepsy: what do you think of ALT1? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 10:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Either are fine by me. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        
        I modified it slightly to use White's full name and to link it, but it's fine by me. I was somewhat amused by the text "White refused to fire a black" Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Aighty, seems like we've got ourselves a ball game—thanks to you both! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 23:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/Q6

Discrepancy

Why is the second Betty White show disambiguated by its starting year while this one is by its ending year? If it’s because that was when it was nationally picked up that wouldn’t make sense because even MST3K’s dateline includes the KTMA year.--CreecregofLife (talk) 08:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the time slot changes.

Regarding this edit, I want to make clear that we do have a source that the show's slot, so part of the text can be used in the event that a source can not be found for the claim that it was done in response. I believe the best current location would be in the final paragraph, making the first sentence read something like: NBC repeatedly changed the show's time slot^[1] and the show was quietly canceled on December 31, 1954.^[2] --Super Goku V (talk) 10:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]