Talk:The Good Place season 2

"Existential Crisis" Summary

@Jgstokes: for the most part, I don't agree with your recent edit to the episode summary. I see where some of your content can be used to tighten up phrasing, but your version drops a number of details I considered important to the summary, such as Tahani's self-reflection and Eleanor's experiences in life. In addition, you replaced some descriptions of plot events with interpretation of character feelings, which I believe is less suitable content. I'm going to edit it to restore most of the changed content; please comment on the resulting version if desired. --DavidK93 (talk) 17:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, David! Thank you for letting me know about the concerns you had about my revisions to the episode summary in question. I need to let you know, I began my Wikipedia editing ten years ago with a very narrow focus, but with a view to adding articles of interest as I find them, which I have done. In that decade of experience editing Wikipedia, I have become known for settling disputes with other editors, and for acknowledging when my editing efforts have been less than helpful. Again, with my thanks for letting me know about your concerns, I would say that, in general, anything that alters content I have added in a positive and helpful way is something with which I can easily get on board. That is how I see your edits of the changes I made. I have no objections to the wording as it currently stands. If I think of anything that seems like it may need further work, I will let you know. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:33, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Chapters 14 and 15

According to the NBC website, chapters 14 and 15 ("Everything Is Great!") are both part of Episode 1.

According to Wikipedia's rules of verifiability and previously published information, this is all the information needed to determine that these chapters should be listed as one episode.

Also, there is no reason that a single episode of a show cannot contain more than one chapter. A chapter is not a discretely define unit, and is not necessarily a synonym for "episode." Tomg555 (talk) 19:33, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Generally, when a half-hour series produces an "hour-long" episode, they're considered two episodes. We will know for certain when the season finale is announced, because 13 episodes were ordered. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and renumbered the episodes to match the numbering used on the official NBC website. While yes I agree that the opening double episode is quite often considered 2 episodes in listings, on the official NBC website for The Good Place they have chosen to count the double episode as a single item with "Dance Dance Resolution" listed as episode number 2. ~ Brother William (talk) 15:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The problem here is that NBC ordered 13 episodes, not 12; that is why "Everything Is Great!" is two episodes. They both can't be episode 1 of the season, but have different overall series numbers. The press release lists them as episodes 201/202 and if you look at the NBC press website, it lists the upcoming episode as episode 209 (season 2, episode 9), not episode 8. Just look at the episode list for The Office (another NBC comedy series), all hour-long episodes are two episodes; it's just how it works when a half-hour series produces an hour-long episode (they're two episodes). The previous numbering should be restored. Drovethrughosts (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Agree. I think both "halves" having their own "Chapter X" titles makes it clear they are multiple episodes being broadcast at the same time. —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

How the episode was originally aired determines how we list an episode. Generally, the credits determine whether an episode is one episode or two, or even three. If it airs with one set of opening and closing credits then it is one episode, even if it is later split up into two for syndication or has two production codes. The actual runtime does not determine the number of episodes. I only started watching the program recently on Netflix so I have no idea how it was originally aired. The Futon Critic shows the episode as "EVERYTHING IS GREAT! - PARTS 1 & 2" so it is clear it was meant as two parts. However, I haven't seen a reference that shows "Part x" as part of the actual episode's name. Even the NBC listing, which is authoritative, shows it only as "Everything is Great", a single episode. If the episode has just been arbitrarily broken into two separate episodes for this list, "Part x" should not be inside the quotation marks. The episode title should appear as "Everything is Great" Part x. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

It's important to note that it was originally scheduled to debut with one episode (half-hour timeslot), then NBC revised it and aired both parts on the same night. The first season also had a one-hour premiere and finale (two episodes airing back-to-back). To me, the most thing is the number of episodes; we know there's 13 and the finale is scheduled for February 1, and that only works if the premiere is counted as two. We could merge the two parts to one row in the episode table for tidiness but list it as episodes 1 and 2 (see the formatting here for example). Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

So what you're saying is "ignore the official website because we know better"? That NBC ordered 13 episodes is not in contention. That you feel that by numbering the entries to match the official site will make the last episode No.12 instead of 13 doesn't matter. If NBC decided that they'd start numbering the first episode of season 2 as episode 27, then that's how we should be marking them on the list. How we feel about the correctness of their numbering is irrelevant. The numbering should follow WP:V from an official source. Even IMDB has adopted the numbering used on NBC's website. ~ Brother William (talk) 02:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't remember it being one episode. When it was broadcast it had two chapter cards, one for Chapter 14 and one for Chapter 15.Esuka323 (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Pevita

This is a very prominant episode 1 character. I can't believe you missed her in the cast.

• Pevita is played by Susan Park

50.70.236.24 (talk) 03:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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