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Older comment[edit]

This is why Wikipedia is cool: at 16:37 we had a 3 sentence stub, at 19:08 we have a pretty detailed article shaping up. Thanks to everybody contributing! --Lexor 03:13, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC) I was there often in its early days. At the time, the scene was more about the music than the drugs. We went to hear music and to dance. By the early nineties it seemed like more of a pick up joint and the music didn't seem fresh and new.

Another Limelight[edit]

The Vision nightclub (Chicago) website states that it was originally a Limelight nightclub in the 1980s. This could stand some research and verification, with possible addition to this article. The context seems to fit, since Vision is also an old church building in Chicago's River North neighborhood. T4kinase 16:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The same NY Limelight vis-a-vis Shep?[edit]

Wasn't the Limelight in NYC the same one that Jean Shepherd performed in during the mid-60s? JB82c 00:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Limelight was much more than this[edit]

I worked there for about 7 years. While I was there the club over went many changes, some good some bad. My job was on the technical crew. I operated the lights and kept an eye on the sound system and dealt with the stage setup etc. Aside from all the fairly well deserved attention (good and bad) that Michael Alig continues to receive for his contributions, there were so many other people that made the place stand out. The balance of old guard versus new guard was particularly painful to work under, I mean how many times does anybody need to see Adam Bomb live, thanks Claire. Or Steve Lewis??? What the??? Jeez!!! Steve Adelman??? Go look at the ceiling somewhere else!! Those fashion shows blew.

So many people I knew that worked there actually killed themselves while employed there or after they were employed there. I feel lucky to be alive, knock on wood. Angel was tragic, but he was a heroin dealer who traded his life for a little fame in a closed circuit private party. By the time the angel of death showed up, the party was pretty much over. The good djs were bailing, the club was under surveillance, the security would search you for drugs. What was left was a bunch of coke-heads, K-heads, Narcs and Feds. Not a good party environment.

The good stuff happened in the main room between 90 and 94. The sound and light experience (which Scotto only had a hand in, he was not all that), was incredible. The music at the time was changing rapidly, and the club had a different vibe on every night and was open 6 nights a week! For a while the club was really lifted off the ground, floating high above the city when the city was worth floating over. There were some Djs that really pushed the limits just right and created something new and forward that the dance floor really enjoyed. Then somebody let Gabba in and it got tiresome to hear the Euromasters 5 times in a night or when they started letting anyone on the decks and they all wanted to play Spastik.

That range of variance in electronic dance music has been drawn and quartered, splintered into genres that used to be unimportant.

Anyway, thats all I have time for today. prozac

Bumpyeye 16:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I used to work there to. I think I know who you are. scotto was cools the lights that he had invented are still in use and he redesign them, allan sanctuary, what was the name of that guy that commited suicide that used to work the door? Has i remembered the Limelight Night club History was said that There was an altar under the clubs dance floor, wich was confirmed and that they cannot remove the seats or the altar from the Church, also that in the 1800 or early 1900's the priest of that church had done something to some kids there and that's why the church was ...whats that word... but they could not take that church down but they where considering demolition. Richie Rich could never sing Due to the harmones he was injecting he sounded like if he was on helium, Angel was a drug dealer but he had no other way of making money to support his living. he was struggling. he wanted out but couldnt do it. over all a great person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Shameless Plugs[edit]

The article is about the Limelight and not individuals who helped design the new marketplace. The inclusion of these names is clearly a shameless plug in an article that is about a nightclub. Unless there is a person who held a lasting influence on the club (such as Peter Gatien), then the inclusion of non-notable names clearly is a conflict of interest as it appears that there is an editorial connection. Projects should be on the individual's resume, not on Wikipedia. The article will reverted. Should you have any questions, please discuss on article's talk page before I open a dispute resolution ticket. Once again, this is an article about the Limelight, and not about the two creative designers who designed the Limelight Marketplace. --XLR8TION (talk) 00:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not a shameless plug. As far as I remember, I put the names into the article, and I have no connection with the marketplace or the design firm. I'm going to restore the information, as being both relevant and accurate. I suggest that you do not remove it again until you have a consensus on this page to do so. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
It's clearly a shameless plug. Press releases are not valid source of information for all subjects. A dispute resolution has been filed. Do not reverty article untiil a mediator(s) has assessed conflict in article and offers a solution.--XLR8TION (talk) 01:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
You have reverted article three times. This is a violation of site rules. Please be civil and wait for a response from a mediator. --XLR8TION (talk) 01:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Ah, 3RR is a limit, the fourth reversion is against policy -- but I'm afraid you misunderstand the system. Please see WP:BRD. You were Bold and made an edit, I disagreed and I Reverted, now we Discuss. You do not get to restore your bold edit while the discussion goes on, the article is returned to the original status quo.

As for mediation, that's not going to happen, because it's totally unnecessary. Please get your consensus here, onthis talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

You claim to have asked for mediation, but I do not see an edit in your contributions where you asked for a mediator. Why is that? Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:38, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Please be civil and stop adding the name sof people you clealry have close connection with in the article. A shameless plug is a shameless plug. The article is about a NYC nightclub, not two non-notable people who want to have some notoriety in their empty lives. Please stop reverting article and wait for mediator.--XLR8TION (talk) 01:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I have already said this, but perhaps you missed it: I am not connected with the people whose names you are trying to remove. I'm a long-time Wikipedian (almost 5 1/2 years) with about 70,000 edits to my credit and I'm not here to spam names into articles. A quick look at my contributions will show that I've recently been editing (and creating) articles on New York history and historic New York buildings, and this is just another article that I keep my eye on. I have no ulterior motive for the names being in the article, I simply think it's relevant, pertinent and accurate information which improves the article. That we disagree on that is fine, but it is not fine to try to enforce your own opinion by reverting. The proper think to do is have a discussion here on this talk page, and get a consensus from the editors here that the names should come out or stay in, and then we would both abide by that consensus. It's not too late for that to happen, simply self-revert your last edit, and let the discussion take its course.

As I remarked on your talk page (continued here), we routinely include the name of the architects who designed buildings in our articles, and if the interior design is notable, and we have that information, we include the names of the people who did the interior design as well. In this case, the inside of a church, which had been coverted into a nightclub, was converted again into a small upscale marketplace. If you've been inside of it, the design is quite distinctive and notable. making novel use of the three-dimensional space (although I do not think it's very sucessful - it felt very claustrophic to me), which is why the names of the interior designers are legitimate information for the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

  • These individuals are nobodies. They have nothing to do with the Limelight's extensive history. Shameless plugs are shameless plugs. This is Wikipedia, not Linked In. Stop adding promotional garbage form a press release that simply is biased advertising to promote the agendas of companies and non-notable individuals. I have worked on this article for several years and have removed vandalism and other shameless plug attempts. This is nothing new and the inclusion of two highly non-notable names raises flags on why you are doing so when the article's focus is on the club and it's history. --XLR8TION (talk) 02:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Once again, this article is about the Limelight NOT about James Mansour of Mansour Design and Melisca Klisanin, Creative Director. Are you aware of that? This is clearly a shameless advertising plug. Keep the article clean of all promotional reference. This is about the Limelight and the notable personalities that brought it's fame during it's heydey as a nightclub. Mr. Mansour and Ms. Kilsanin are only involved with the Limelight due to profitand puclicity. --XLR8TION (talk) 02:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) So, I take it that you are not going to assume good faith and accept my clear statement of non-conflict, nor are you going to look at my contriubution history to confirm what I've said. I see.

I note that you have made 31 edits to the Limelight article over the years, which certainly is more than my more recent 20, but neither of us owns the article, we have to abide by consensus, which is why I suggest you self-revert and let a discussion here evolve to find what that consensus is: are the people named "nobodies" as you claim, and their inclusion here a shameless plug (if it is, I wish someone would have paid me for it), or is the inclusion of the namea of the interior designera when a building is totally repurposed a legitimate one. I'm willing to let discussion between editors decide that, as should you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

A single mention of a person's name, in a very short section of an article which details what happened to the building after the nightclub closed, does not qualify as "advertising." I think you're being very unreasonable, and I believe you need to review WP:OWN. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I have placed neutral pointers to this discussion on the talk pages of WikiProject Architecture and WikiProject New York City Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

One correction before I abandon this article to the ownership of XLR8TION:

Above, I said that I was the editor who added the names of the designers of the Limelight Marketplace to the article, but I was mistaken. In fact, they were added on July, 8 2009 by editor User:Jackmsw, who has only two edits listed in their contribs, meaning that it's very possible they were originally added by someone connected with the design firm. This, of course, doesn't negate the arguments I made above for the legitimacy of the names being included in the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Greg Gumo[edit]

Does anyone remember much about the Greg Gumo connection here, both as Limelight and the avalon? msg me please or lets add to this article here. I cant find much info on either Avalon or it anywhere else? Avatera (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Bobbie Lombardi and Hallandale Limelight[edit]

Bobbie Lombardi is pertinant to this wiki as he was the prime DJ at the first Limelight Disco opened by Peter Gatien. He then went and worked at the Atlanta location. I personally know of these facts as I was the lightman at the Hallandale location for Bobbie until December 1978 and the true disco DJ community recognizes Bobboe as the inventor of BPM mixing. He used radio cart machines first to do it when he was in New york clubs before the Limelight incarnations. These facts are verified by the following e-mail to me:

This is a copy of an e-mail forwarded to me. It is from Jackie of the Long Island Record Pool

Bobby was a good friend of mine. He originally worked at two important clubs on Long Island during the very early days of the club scene. One was called Rum Bottoms and it hosted packed crowds of dancers that would normally come to see popular bands and Bobby worked the break sessions, keeping them dancing. He also worked one of the earliest Gay Clubs on Long Island called The Corral. He worked alone at that venue. Bobby was the first DJ to use the Beats-Per-Minute method of mixing. He devised this method because he never used turntables, he used radio station type "carts". These "carts" had no rewind on them, if you missed your mix point, you would have to "fast forward" through the entire song to the original start point and begin your mix all over again. By that time the song playing would have run out, so it was a one-shot-only attempt to get the mix "right" on your first try. Bobby would choose a song that was just a bit faster than the one playing, so he could start it, wait until the newer song caught up to the song playing, then make his mix. Although it sounds crude by today's standards, at the time it was futuristic and very progressive. Back then, there were no Technics turntables, no slip-pads, nobody else synchronizing an incoming song with the song that was playing, Bobby was the innovator. I asked Bobby what all the little numbers were on his "carts" and he explained the method to me. I asked him if I could adopt his unique method and he said that it was fine, but not to expect him to give me the numbers, I would have to "time" my music by myself, which I did (and became the first DJ to use the BPM system with records). Bobby was a mentor to two DJs that could be considered his prot�g�es, me and Wayne Scott. In 1972, Wayne took one of the nights at Rumbottoms as I got the job at The Bijou, a very big Long Island club. Wayne also adopted the BPM method and eventually became the DJ at the famous New York nightspot The Flamingo. Bobby moved to Florida, where he worked at The Limelight which was located between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. I visited him at the club. It was quite impressive. He eventually moved to Atlanta, Georgia, where he continued to spin for a while, until he passed away (I think it was in the late 80's). He had an adopted son, who I saw once in the early 90's, but not afterward. His son was still living in Atlanta at the time. If the person asking you about Bobby wants to know more about him, have them contact me directly. I have a photo of him and a story that ran in a music publication back in the '70's that verifies him as being the creator of the BPM method of categorizing music. I keep in touch with Wayne, who is retired from the music business, but he would verify that Bobby in fact was the first DJ to use the BPM system.

Regards, Jackie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frdrsjr (talkcontribs) 23:23, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

First , read WP:Reliable sources, and then get a citation from areliable source to support the information you want to add. Your memoriies are not sufficent. Without a citation from a reliable source, the information wuill contuinue top be removed. BMK (talk) 01:26, 6 September 2015 (UTC)