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In the cornmeal

The article says, "Hence, 'tico-tico no fubá' means 'tico-tico on the cornmeal'.

'tici-tico in the cornmeal' would be a better translation.

Tewall (talk) 04:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belated thanks. The article now says 'in the cornmeal'. —Patrug (talk) 07:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hamelin recording

The reference "Marc-André Hamelin wrote piano arrangement for this song in a minor. He also composed variations for it including a section in a major the song's parallel key, and included homages to Beethoven's Für Elise and Chopin's Etude Op. 10 No. 2 in a minor." seems to cite an unremarkable fact. Tico Tico is a choro, and follows formal and harmonic models common to the genre. The first section is in a minor, the second in the parallel A major, and the third on the relative C major. Hamelin's move to A major makes sense in this light, but there is nothing notable about it. I don't see it as necessary in the body of the text regarding the song. Perhaps in a list of extant recordings. Ouvidor (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The article now includes Hamelin in a list of notable recordings. —Patrug (talk) 07:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

This article states that the first recording of the piece was by "Orquestra Colbaz". The "Orquestra Colbaz" version does not feature any lyrics, nor do the Ethel Smith or "Saludos Amigos" versions. What was the first version to include lyrics? Were the lyrics written after the "Orquestra Colbaz" version was released or were they simply not used for some reason? --Jpcase (talk) 23:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good questions. The lyrics came sometime later, which the article now mentions. —Patrug (talk) 07:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"notable"

What are the criteria for being considered a "notable" recording of this song? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 17:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anything that can be properly sourced would likely be considered a notable cover. If a particular recording has been mentioned in an article by a professional news publication or in a book, then that would be ideal, but I figure that if the recording has at least been included on Allmusic, then that would more or less suffice. Even though several of the covers currently mentioned in this article don't appear to be properly sourced, they should be allowed to stay in the article, unless it's determined that there aren't any sources that could be added. --Jpcase (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anything that can be sourced is notable? From what policy is that? Why don't we just list every cover that All Music Guide lists? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what the official policy is on this - there may not even be an established policy, although let me know if you're familiar with one. Personally, I feel that listing every cover of the song included on Allmusic might be worthwhile, which admittedly, would be a lot - but a table could be created to make sure that things are well-organized.

The notability standards for mentioning something in an article aren't as high as the standards are for creating an article. --Jpcase (talk) 23:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: If none of the artists involved with a particular cover are notable in any way, shape, or form, then that particular cover probably doesn't need to be mentioned here. But I would consider any covers by notable artists to be worth mentioning, even if the cover can't be sourced with much more than an Allmusic entry. --Jpcase (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We do have a WP:COVERSONG; guidance there is clear: "Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles." --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 01:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link! You're right - that's pretty clear. So if some of the covers currently mentioned in this article can't be sourced, then feel free to remove them. That said, it looks like the portion of the policy that you quoted was introduced a mere six months ago - and whoever added it seems to have done so without first discussing the matter at WT:WikiProject Songs. As such, I'm not exactly convinced that the policy is a good one. --Jpcase (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First recording

I have no idea if this qualifies for inclusion or reference but I found an earlier recording from 1927 that includes an abridged version of Tico Tico at the 2:28 mark here: https://archive.org/details/78_pan-american-fantasy_sidney-torch-and-his-orchestra-torch_gbia0402041a. 2601:243:8201:BDA0:65B3:616F:A57E:266 (talk) 05:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]