Talk:Time Out of Joint

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"In the end he heroically decides to embrace the delusion for the sake of humanity."

innacurate

Truman it is not.

You see, this is why this "allusions" section is dumb. People take one coincidental feature, and try to justify a connection. You might as well say that Pearl Harbor alludes to Homer's Odyssey because they both feature boats.

Secondly, the Truman Show's plotline was lifted from a rash of reality television programs, not a book most hollywood types have never heard of.

Third, if a prefabricated world is all it takes to be mentioned in this section then we should also add The Real World, The Surreal Life, Scare Tactics, and even an episode of South Park (believe it or not). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.102.241.40 (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

This is what annoys me about wikipedia: Nitpicking people. The similarities are so obvious between the novel and the movie and yet you just delete it? And believe me: More Hollywood types have read the novel than you think. Truman lives in a world made to appear real to keep him docile and under surveillance. In the novel, Ragle Gumm is being watched and kept docile in a fake small town until one day he escapes from it, just like Truman. And yet you do not see the similarities? Give me a break! Sliponshoe

Nevertheless, the claims made in this section are unverifiable. Without quotations from the authors, we do not know from where they drew their inspiration.

If this section was made just to list incidental similarities between unrelated works (regardless of the authors' intentions), then it breaks like, a hundred wiki rules, including Original Research and Verifiability. Further, the information is trivial (you yourself said it was "obvious") and not suitable for an encyclopedia. The claims in the section are also arguable.

So, I'm going to delete the whole section. kthxbai ^_^

139.102.239.12 00:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

No, wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not meant to be a means of listing every perceivable subjective trivial similarity between every subject. Kegon (talk) 10:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe

Why is she an anachronism in 1959? That was the year (according to the monroe article) that she made "Some like it hot"! NOT knowing who she is is the anachronism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.216.146.105 (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Right, it's the opposite of an anachronism. It's irony because we know something the characters don't. I changed the paragraph, and also expanded the plot section. Sluggoster (talk) 20:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Proof of the Truman Show connection

I removed the bit in the lead section talking about the connection to the Truman show. This isn't a matter of opinion. It is forbidden per Wikipedia policy to make 'your own' analysis. You don't get to say that one inspired the other unless a reliable source says that (An interview with the director, and so on). You don't get to say that the themes are similar. Again, that's your own analysis of the themes in the two works. "But it's obvious!" you say. Doesn't matter. We don't write our own analysis, no matter how obvious it is and how many people agree that it's obvious. You only get to reprint the opinions of others

"But lots of articles do this!" you say. That's right. And every one of those articles, no matter how many hundreds of thousands it may be, is wrong. That's the dirty secret of Wikipedia: A substantial amount of its content is really poor quality, even by its own standards!. We help improve and clean up all this garbage content, all this content that is an embarrassment to a serious encyclopedia, by removing it, and demanding sources.

tl;dr - Anything at all related to the Truman Show must go until reliable sources are found which make the case for these comparisons. Reliable sources do not include some Joe Blow's blog and his musings on how the two seem similar, by the way

The relevant policy:

WP:Original Research

Read it, read it good. Make sure you really understand it. A great number of articles are full of "original research" and need to be chopped up, one by one — TheBilly^(Talk) 15:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Was this ever a movie?

I remember seeing a movie when I was a kid during the 80's. This movie was about a entire town that thought they were living in 1950's America but in fact were living in 1980's Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.75.110 (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You are right that The Experts was a movie; it was absolutely awful, and had nothing to do with this novel. Idontcareanymore (talk) 18:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Precious Artifact

To chime in on the whole "has the same premise as story X" business: Of course many P.K.Dick stories deal with the protagonists immersed in some kind of artificial or imagined reality, but what comes to my mind specifically is the short story Precious Artifact: It is about a man who comes to realize that his familiar surroundings are somehow fake, and he is finally told that he is the only human left alive by the aliens after they have conquered Earth.
The similarity is, that the main character is kept in an artificially upheld environment, where he is expected to just continue living his normal life. This is in contrast to most PKD stories, where the "alternate" environment is something extremely special.
I'd have to reread it, to be more precise. Also I'd have to look up when it was written. PKD often reused ideas from short stories for later novels, so there actually might be some relevance here. --BjKa (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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