Talk:Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

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Not Petty article[edit]

I have been asked to explain why I deleted certain information on the heartbreakers article. This was because it was information on Petty,s solo records. This is a band article and not intended for a tom petty article. --Feeling free (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Feeling Free

While the article is not about Petty by himself, a single sentance describing occassional side projects and works by other members of the band does not, IMHO, detract from the overall article, but it DOES help to provide context for how the band has worked together over time, especially since all of Tom Petty's "solo records" have featured some considerable contribution from the all of the other members of the Heartbreakers. If these albums had been recorded entirely independent of the rest of the band, then that would be one thing. Especially on Full Moon Fever, the decision to release the album as a "solo" record did not occur until late in the recording process, mainly based on the "sound" of the songs more than the amount of contributions from the individual Heartbreakers. While I would agree that we should not include tons of detail on these solo projects, it does not seem to be out of place to simply place their occurance within the chronology of the band. 00:45, 11 October 2008(UTC)
I see where your coming from. perhaps we should include a brief section on stuff members did without the heartbreakers --Feeling free (talk) 01:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)User:Feeling free
That would be a cool idea. Perhaps a section titled "Band members other projects" or 19:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah that would be a good title. i like that. --Feeling free (talk) 20:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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Band name spelling[edit]

It seems there's a bit of confusion about how to write the name of the band. Some use 'and' and some use '&'. So now I'm wondering which is the correct one. :-) -- (talk) 03:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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Timeline graph[edit]

I would like to see where consensus lies on the inclusion of the graph. This article has done fine without one, I oppose the inclusion. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Oppose inclusion. Pointless duplication of information already in the article. Piriczki (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Formation of band... other sources[edit]

Someone recently removed a source about the band forming in 1975, stating "that source is wrong". If it is, these other sources are wrong too:

Also, I'm not sure why Warren Zanes's biography is unacceptable; he has written or co-written a few books about Petty, including the companion book to Peter Bogdanovich's documentary Running Down a Dream. Can someone explain why this source, and the date, are unacceptable? --Jayron32 20:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Petty points to a demo session by Benmont Tench at Village Recorders as the genesis of the Heartbreakers. That session took place on February 10, 1976. Prior to that Petty was working on a solo album. Their first gig, as Tom Petty and Nightro, was on March 19, 1976. Piriczki (talk) 21:03, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Do you have a source for that? If we had a statement by Petty himself saying the official founding date, it would be helpful. Most sources that say 1975 note the first sessions when Tench and Campbell joined Petty, Lynch, and Blair, which occurred in 1975. If a source DOES say something about 1976, they generally seem to be referring to the first released work, not the actual founding of the band. If you have a source which directly notes Petty's statements on the matter, we'd be better off as a whole. --Jayron32 21:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hilburn, Robert. "S.F. Smitten by Heartbreakers" Los Angeles Times April 26, 1977

He tried a solo album in 1975 but didn't like its feel. He thought it was too laid-back, too much like an L.A. session album. He kept writing, getting encouragement from musicians around town. But things moved slowly. Last May he met some members from rival Gainesville bands who had also migrated to California. Their sound together seemed what he was looking for. Cordell, too, was excited and the Heartbreakers band was formed. Petty wrote most of the album's songs the day they were recorded. The LP was finished in two weeks.

McShane, Rod. Dark Star August 1977

The Heartbreakers were all guys Tom knew in Florida. Benmont Tench (keyboards) was called up by an engineer who could get him some studio time to see if he had any songs he wanted to cut. He called up all the musicians he know who happened to be from Gainesville. Finally, Tom came by the studio to do a demo, heard the band, did a few tracks with them, and immediately decided to stay. They did “Strangered In The Night,” Tom rushed off to Malibu to play the tapes to Denny. Denny dug it and they went straight to work on an album, acting as guinea pigs in an unfurnished new studio Shelter were building in Hollywood. That was last June of 1976.

With only two songs, “Strangered In The Night” and “Hometown Blues,” in his pocket plus rehearsal standards by Bo Diddley, The Yardbirds, Stones, Bobby Fuller, Slim Harpo, recording was completed in just fifteen days — fifteen songs, fifteen consecutive nights. From his days from Leon Russell, Petty had learned to write quickly and what happened was that he’d come into the studio in the late afternoon and sit down and write a song. When the band turned up with Cordell at about nine, they’d spend the rest of the night working the song out, arranging and recording until dawn; one night, one cut.

Peeples, Stephen. "Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: hogtown boys make good" Rock Around the World October 1977

They signed a label deal, but the recording back in L.A. fell apart, and so did Mudcrutch. A Petty solo album in '75 was aborted becasue it was beginning to sound too much like a laid-back L.A. session album to him, so he hung around L.A. and starved for awhile. Finally, Petty ran into some fellow Gainesville players who also had fled its stultifying musical environment for hopefully greener pastures in L.A., and in May '76, the Heartbreakers band was formed.

Bereskin, Laurie. "Life Is Fine When the Heartbreakers Play" Valley News (Van Nuys, California) November 11, 1977

As far as history goes, the five Heartbreakers got together a year and a half ago in a Hollywood recording studio one night and eventually formed a band that grabbed the attention of Denny Cordell from Shelter Records. "Everybody has been out here for about four years," explained Blair who lives in the San Fernando Valley along with Petty and Campbell. "We all came out from Florida under different circumstances. One night three of us went to a recording session where Ben, our piano player, was demoing a couple of his tunes. Tommy showed up there and and the next thing we knew we were doing some sessions with him. It was at that point we realized we had formed a band and now we are almost ready to start recording our second album." The Heartbreakers wrote their first LP in about a month and recorded the tracks within two weeks. Blair reminisced, "We came into the studio every evening around 6 and we'd see the sunrise for sure. Tom would get there a little bit early and would be writing a tune. Then we'd come in and cut it."

Girard, Jim. Scene (Cleveland, Ohio) December 22-28, 1977

Although Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers recorded their first album, TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS, on Shelter Records in the summer of ’76, the band is just beginning to cut tracks for a second album.

I wrote "American Girl" on the Fourth of July, 1976, while I was cutting songs for the first album. The working pattern for the album was strange. See, we'd just gotten the group together, and I'd come in the studio in the afternoon to write a song for the session that day. The band would come in later and work it up, and we'd cut it.

Demorest, Stephen. "Tom Petty: Animus Americus Unpoliticus" Creem August 1978

Petty headed for L.A., where he became disillusioned with solo records when he couldn't get them to sound right with the session players available. "Then I ran into these guys and we played and I got real excited about it. And I guess the next day we started playing for the first album. They were building the Shelter studio at the same time — it was still boards and wires. I think we cut everything in about 15 days. It was all written in the afternoon and cut at night."

Marsh, Dave. Musician July 1981

Petty: The first record is probably right on the money, because when we did it, we'd only been a band for a week or so.

Bogdanovich, Peter; Zanes, Warren. Runnin' Down a Dream (2006) p. 43, 45

Tom Petty: After what seemed like a very, very long time, often waiting for Denny, a Mudcrutch single was released [February 1975]. One side was "Depot Street," and the other was "Wild Eyes," both written by me. It was an overwhelming flop, hit the dirt pretty hard. We had so many expectations in that time—and then to watch the single disappear. Amidst it all, Mudcrutch breaks up. Not much happened for a while. I was still under contract to Shelter and did a couple of sessions as a solo artist, with the best session musicians in town, Jim Keltner, Al Kooper, Jim Gordon. But I didn't like it.

Tom Petty: About a year after Mudcrutch split up, Benmont, who'd had his own ups and downs being in L.A., was thinking about making a solo record. He was cutting at this place called the Village Recorder, and he called me—asking if I'd play harmonica on his demo. I went down, and there Benmont had assembled in the studio what was essentially the Heartbreakers.

Piriczki (talk) 18:01, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Good stuff. Cite them properly, and add it to the article! Dig it! --Jayron32 19:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
It would also be helpful if we could document when the first show under the "Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers" name took place.Sylvain1972 (talk) 16:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
When the first album was released they were in Florida rehearsing and playing a few club gigs. The earliest documented show was November 30, 1976 (opening for Kiss) and their first shows were in the weeks just prior to that. The show on December 12, 1976, later issued as the promo LP Official Live 'Leg, was reportedly their sixth show together. Piriczki (talk) 19:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
They also played at George's Galaxy Lounge in Cocoa Beach, Florida on December 3 & 4, 1976. Piriczki (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)