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The page geography of mars has been changed to areography. Following this, I will change "Topography of the Moon" to "Selenography," defined as "The scientific study of the Moon's geographic features; geography of the Moon" as that more accurately reflects the nature of this article after the merger, with topography of the moon being a subset of selenography, like the topography of Earth is a subset of geography/geology. Further, the current definition of topography of the moon needs significant changes, as topography means "the arrangement of the natural and artificial physical features of an area," not the mapping or study of these features. GeogSage (talk)

Outdated by LRO topography data

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… which was first published in 2010 :) --Mtu (talk) 14:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Selenography (Geography of the Moon)SelenographyPrimary topic should take the unqualified article title. The existing redirect Selenography and its talk page have history which should be preserved. Certes (talk) 10:24, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I included the Parenthetical disambiguation when I moved the page in large part because "Selenography" was taken and it wouldn't let me use the title. However there is another page for Selenography (album) and I thought that specifying geography of the moon might therefore be appropriate. I agree with dropping the parentheses if others think it is best. GeogSage (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Selenography" is certainly ambiguous: it could mean moon study or the album. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, moon study should take the unqualified base name if is highly likely ... to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term and has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic. I think that's true here but we'll see what other opinions appear. By the way, WP:RMTR can help with moving pages to a title that's already occupied, though we should now leave this page at its current title until this discussion ends. Certes (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for letting me know about WP:RMTR as a way to move a page when the title is already occupied. I agree the topic Selenography is probably more notable then the album. I believe that the 7 days are past, and the support for your request seems to be unanimous. GeogSage (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Topography of the Moon

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Creating a new topic because the last is closed.

Certes, topography of the moon is a subset of Selenography, not the way around. Geography is not a subset of topography on Earth, but geographers study topography. Topography is a geoscience on Earth, geoscience is not a subset of topography. I don't see any reason that topography would not be a subset of selenography, any more then geography would be a subset of topography. Inclusion of a topography section on this page makes sense, as topography is a major part of the moons surface features, and selenography studies those. I do not see any reason for a split.

GeogSage (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC) GeogSage (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's one valid way of looking at it. Another is that selenography includes the content of the article: the story of how humans discovered and documented the topography, which is a subtopic of the topography itself. We don't really have an article on that wider topic, though there is plenty of relevant material in Moon#Surface features, Geology of the Moon#Lunar landscape, etc. Certes (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would support an un-merger of Selenography and lunar topography if you wanted to create a separate page for lunar topography that would fall under the broad category of selenography. There certainly is plenty of content on that. It is not my priority however, but if you want to take the lead I wouldn't oppose. GeogSage (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]