Talk:Trans-Manhattan Expressway

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168th Street and Riverside Drive

It seems that the Trans-Manhattan Expy exists a lot further south than the article would indicate, or at least it used to be further south and then was moved without changing the signs. This morning I saw two signs reading "Trans-Manhattan Expressway" at Riverside Dr and 168th St. You can see one of them on Google Streets here and the other here. Someone should find out more about this, and work it into the article. --Keeves (talk) 12:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership

A NYC report says "DCP’s Primary Land Use Tax Lot Output (PLUTO) database indicates that the Port Authority of NY/NJ and The George Units LLC hold full or partial ownership of parcels in this corridor" and clearly indicates that the parcels without towers are the ones in question. Partial or full ownership between the two parties mentioned would likely refer to the ratio of land ownership and air rights ownership. There appears to be not reference for the claim that the road is owned or maintained by the NTCDOT. Is there one?

"6.12: ROADWAY OPEN CUTS: 6.12: ROADWAY OPEN MANHATTAN" (PDF). www.nyc.gov. Retrieved 2015-02-10.
"Trans-Manhattan Expressway Overpass Rehabilitation Project" (Press release). PANYNJ. May 2011. Retrieved 2015-02-20. Here it appears that the PANYNJ has taken responsibility for repairing bridges of the expressway, though that is not necessarily an indication of ownership, though it could be.
In 2001 the PANYNJ replaced the lighting on the expressway, again no indication of ownership but it's not usual.

Djflem (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In 1960, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey transferred to the city the air rights of a three-acre area near the bridge. The city auctioned off those rights to the Kratter Corporation for a little over $1 million, as part of a novel method to build more middle-income housing. per Chen, David (June 18, 2004). "Life on the Road; Learning to Sleep as Trucks Roar Through Basement". The New York Times. Retrieved 2015-02-21.

Djflem (talk) 20:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See here, a bid solicitation for work on the expressway. Note the address to which bids are to be submitted is 55 Water Street, which is the offices of the New York City Department of Transportation, not the Port Authority. It seems to me that the ownership is entirely unclear, and possibly jointly held, and therefore the article should not make categorical statements. oknazevad (talk) 21:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The project for the Trans-Manhattan Expressway Connector Ramp is NYC-sponsored, but as the name says, it's a connector ramp and not the TME itself and can be seen in photo here looking from the Bronx over the Harlem River to the east end of the TME.Djflem (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. That said, I would still like to find a better source stating the PA's ownership of the Expressway proper outright. As it stands, the current sources hint at it, without stating it, and therefore require a level of interpretation I'm not comfortable with using as source for a categorical statement.oknazevad (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The first quote is more satisfactorily states that the parcels are owned in part by PANYNJ & George Units (which is likely the holding company for the Bridge Apartments0, and not the NYCDOT or state agency. Below are further quotes which indicate that the PANYNJ is the agency responsible for the TME.

One might have thought so until the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey recently announced a $13.6 million authorization for rehabilitating the Broadway and Wadsworth Avenue Bridges over the Trans-Manhattan Expressway. Heller, Susan (August 25, 1986). "NEW YORK DAY BY DAY; Big Name And Short Road". The New York Times. Retrieved 2014-05-22. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |coauthor= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

"The cost for a closed tunnel system with twelve lanes was prohibitive, especially since the expressway was not going under water. The simpler, yet naïve option of leaving it to nature was chosen instead. The Port Authority’s solution to the pollution problem was to let the expressway remain open between the apartment towers so the exhaust fumes could escape into the air."Scheer, Stephen A (1997). "INTERBOROUGH New York Perspectives on Civic Architecture". interboroughnewyork.com. Retrieved 2015-02-22.

I'll change the word/infobox accordingly. The whole article is a mess anyway and needs a re-write and makes other categorical statements, notable about length which are untrue. The structure is poor, hard to follow and makes repetitive decontextualised claims.Djflem (talk) 13:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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