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Discussion at List of oldest universities in continuous operation
The old issue of the definition of a university has been reopened at Talk:List of oldest universities in continuous operation as a call for expert attention. The discussion so far has drawn on some recent publications; people who have edited here might be able to contribute something to the discussion. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 01:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2015
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The edit that caused the semi-protected status was my restoring an addition I made. My edit was precisely sourced in a respected book by an established historian and, at the same time I added a qualifier about the extent recognition of that view. The user who undid my contribution claimed that it was a "fringe" view. When I asked in what sense a documented, referenced statement by a famous scholar can be a "fringe" view, the user responded that "fringe" view means a view not held by the "majority of scholars." I do not know if this is the Wikipedia definition of "fringe view" but I know that, in practice, most Wikipedia articles of course allow disputed views or views held also by a minority of scholars. Even if only the majority opinion were allowed to be mentioned, there should be evidence that the given opinion is indeed the view of the majority of scholars. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I think you have the onus of showing that the view you're trying to add is shared by an important number of experts in the fields, not other editors to prove it's not. Also, the wording you were adding seemed to suggest that your proposed view was the mainstream one, but it wasn't shared by all historians; in fact, there are grounds to believe it's the reverse. Fringe views can sometimes be exposed in articles, but only as such, and while being given due weight. LjL (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
All of their edits are specifically to change American English to British English. This was just a restoration. Cheers. If you want to argue the english variant, please, go ahead and make an RFC, but alas, the article was in American English.
Comment. I have put this here for discussion. One user has gone ahead and deleted this discussion. I have just restored it. I assume it was in good faith that he deleted a discussion from a talk page, as opposed to adding to the discussion. Perhaps a quick undo accidentally did it, it happens to us all. Please, if you have a comment, add it here! Have a wonderful day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:E0E2:B78F:F573:E377 (talk) 08:13, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
There's no established version of English used in the article, it's about a universal topic, and both UK English and American English have been used since the first real "non-stub" version of the article, with about equal share in the article for both varieties. And the IP editor does nothing on Wikipedia other than promoting US English... Thomas.Wtalk 08:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
^Verger, Jacques: "Patterns", in: Ridder-Symoens, Hilde de (ed.): A History of the University in Europe. Vol. I: Universities in the Middle Ages, Cambridge University Press, 2003, ISBN 978-0-521-54113-8, pp. 35–76 (35)
Yes, we don't go by what UNESCO or Guiness WR say, we go by what the long-established mainstream definition of (mediaeval) university says, which since Al Quaraouiyine was founded as a madrasa, a type of educational institution that weren't, aren't and never have been universities (no more than Christian cathedral schools, a type of school that predate madrasas by several centuries, were) means that your proposed changes don't belong in this article. - Tom | Thomas.Wtalk 10:29, 24 October 2016 (UTC)