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Iconic?[edit]

This is a peacock term and we therefore should not use it. --John (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Peacocking[edit]

Renowned is one of the exemplars of puffery given on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. Using such vague and unprovable terms is poor writing style, and adds nothing to the article. Instead it would be better to improve the 'Academic reputation' section of the article giving examples cited to reliable sources of the university's renown. An example of how to do this is given at WP:PEACOCKJeremy (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 24 November 2011[edit]

where is states is the only scottish university to be a member of both Russel and LERU is a bit confusing, Glasgow is also a member of Russel , and edinburgh is the only member of LERU. It kind of implies that Edinburgh is the only Russel Group university in scotland

Edinburghgeo (talk) 23:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Puffin Let's talk! 14:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

it kind of implies that edinburgh is the only member of both russel and LERU, it isnt, because Glasgow is also a member of the russel group, thats what i feel need clarifying . it implies it is the only member of the RUSSEL GROUP, what it should say is somethin on the lines of 1 of 2 members of RUSSEL and the only scottish member of LERU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.4.1 (talk) 00:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Tuition costs and inclusion in the lead[edit]

The statement below was removed by 46.10.10.235 (talk)} with the edit summary: Not appropriate for introduction; also not true. St. Andrews also charges 36k for 4 year degree. This section is to discuss the validity and significance of the statement. SENATOR2029 talk 12:08, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

It has the highest fees in Europe, so is certainly significant. You could say joint highest or something similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.151.170 (talk) 16:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I oppose the inclusion of this in the introduction of the article. Here is a reference that St. Andrews also charges 36k per 4-year degree: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15259988

Additionally, tuition is higher at Richmond University in London - a private University: http://www.richmond.ac.uk/cms/pdfs/Undergraduate%20Tuition%20Fees%20EU%20Tuition%20New%20Students.pdf

Finally, I understand how some people might be angry that the University suddenly becomes much more expensive for English students, but that's no reason to attempt to slander its reputation by posting false statements in the introduction of its wikipedia page. Moreover, I cannot find a single prominent University in the world's top 50 that has ANY mention of tuition fees on its wikipedia page at all. Therefore, I am removing this statement, as it is not only false, but also inappropriate for inclusion. 188.74.105.81 (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

You have missed the point, it says jointly, and stresses public, please get your facts rights before making changes. There are other articles which also mention tuition fees in the top 50 also. There is no reason it cant be included. I go to the University, im not saying its right, but its an important fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saariselka1 (talkcontribs) 19:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Then, why not go and edit Cambridge's wiki article, say that it is "jointly" the 2nd most expensive university in Europe. This is ridiculous. You must be a complete moron to think this is something reasonable to include in the introduction of a encyclopedia article. 188.74.105.81 (talk) 01:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Re: proposed merge of Edinburgh College of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine[edit]

This article has a merger proposal dating from Dec 2010. I'm not sure the best way to go about discussing this, but I would suggest that Edinburgh College of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine stays separate, but with an expansion similar to University of Edinburgh College of Science and Engineering (and a rename to University of Edinburgh College of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine). Also suggest University of Edinburgh College of Humanities and Social Science with a similar expansion, so that all 3 colleges are covered in the same way as S&E (with links in the UoE template). Thoughts? --Amkilpatrick (talk) 08:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Straton Gold Medal[edit]

May we have mention in Wikipedia either here or in a stub of the Straton Gold Medal and its winners? AshLin (talk) 05:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Source for staff numbers[edit]

The source given for the academic and administrative staff figures is a document called "Student Factsheet 310112.doc". It contains no figures about staff numbers. Can someone find the correct citation? 31.52.247.97 (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Endowment[edit]

Can someone please add a reference to verify it has third largest endowment in UK. Im sure it does so have not removed it, but really does need citing from a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaga247 (talkcontribs) 23:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Criticisms[edit]

Is this section necessary about fossil fuel investment. I have significant experience in asset management and I'm not sure if there is a single academic institution that is free of energy/commodity assets. This is like saying the pulp association is concerned the U of E is consuming to much paper for it's library.

I wanted to broach this here, before I suggest removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninja247 (talkcontribs) 17:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I have removed it. There was no specific criticism given towards Edinburgh university in the cited source. And in fact the source was saying that the university was about to make a decision on whether to divest its investments that belong in that area. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Adam Ferguson and modern sociology[edit]

This page claims that Adam Ferguson laid the foundation of modern sociology. That claim is somewhat exaggerated. Auguste Comte, Émile Durkheim, Karl Marx, and Max Weber are considered by many to be the founding fathers of modern sociology. Although Ferguson did contribute to early development of the subject, he is not considered as one of the major architects of sociology. Zenqueue (talk) 05:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I found some sources that claims that Ferguson is regarded as one of the founding fathers of sociology. Here is one:[1]. Harry E. Barnes in Sociology Before Comte: A Summary of Doctrines and an Introduction to the Literature also claimed that "If anyone before Saint-Simon and Comte has a right to be designated as the "father of sociology" it is not Adam Smith, but Ferguson."[2] (p. 234) Zenqueue (talk) 06:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to state that Adam Ferguson contributed to the initial development of sociology. Zenqueue (talk) 06:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I am the Wikimedian at University of Edinburgh. Please could someone help me with moving this File:University_of_Edinburgh_logo.svg image file as it is not the correct corporate logo and is instead the ceremonial roundel. I have been advised by the university's brand guardians at the Communications & Marketing department that this is the ceremonial roundel and only to be used for ceremonial situations. I include the university's brand guidelines by way of evidence: http://www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/files/university-of-edinburgh-logo-guide.pdf
This File:University_of_Edinburgh_logo.png file is much more appropriate to use as the university logo. Could you assist with correcting this? Stinglehammer (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I have turned the image files into links for readability, and because both claim to be non-free (though I doubt that's accurate).
That said, I don't think removing the ceremonial roundel is appropriate. Compare for example University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, University of St Andrews and University of Glasgow. All articles provide the coat of arms at the top, usually accompanied by the modern logo at the bottom of the page. So does this article, and I don't think we should remove the coat of arms that likely represented the university for the better part of four centuries because some corporate branding specialists a few years ago decided it's too old-fashioned. Huon (talk) 20:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@Huon: I take your point about removing the ceremonial roundel without replacing it with something suitably appropriate. I will speak to the office here and see if a good quality logo can be uploaded to Wikipedia. That said, the ceremonial roundel would still need to be labelled as the ceremonial roundel to avoid confusion because, although it includes the coat of arms, it is not the university's logo. The logo still contains the coat of arms but is only blue, white & red. The full colour ceremonial roundel is being downloaded and mis-used as the university logo because it is labelled as such. If we can at least label/file move the ceremonial roundel correctly then I'll see if we can get the correct logo uploaded in its place. Cheers. Stinglehammer (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
I originally thought we should replace the roundel with the modern logo and would then have to delete the unused non-free file, making a renaming unnecessary. On second thought I changed my opinion and moved the file to File:University of Edinburgh roundel.svg. I rather doubt it's non-free and have started a discussion on the copyright status of various university logos and coats of arms, including these two, at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#British university logos. Huon (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@Huon:Thanks. Much appreciated. I think the issue was that the roundel was being downloaded and used inappropriately as the university's logo when it is supposed to be reserved for graduations, official papers, University court papers only. Could we get the text description of the roundel also changed to say that it is the ceremonial roundel as the word 'logo' peppers the entire page. I'll speak to the university and see if we can get the real logo released and uploaded. Thanks again.Stinglehammer (talk) 21:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
I think this comes down historical roundel vs current branding roundel. The red, blue, white corporate logos are certainly what you see around the university now. I'm not sure where Wikipedia draws the line here. With the text logo I think we should either change this to the corporate colours or black and white, as those are more common than the blue version, ie. university homepage Aloneinthewild (talk) 22:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
And now the logo is gone black and white on the University's homepage. Why, i.e. according to which principle, would Wikipedia go against the branding guidelines that the institution requests to follow? Similarly, the article should really be titled 'The University of Edinburgh'; that's because it facilitates disambiguation with other Edinburgh-based universities like Edinburgh Napier University. Aristote33 (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Universities central at Women in Red on IWD during March 2017[edit]

Info and invitation. Women in Red has a drive during March to create and improve articles on women alumni of universities. International Women's Day is on March 8th and we invite others to mirror the event in the UK in Cambridge. Please sign up or ask for help at Women in Red. Hope you can make it. We have tools that will allow you to find missing women alumni from Edinburgh university. We are interested in editors who want to work in any language. Victuallers (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Glazed out, first minute in[edit]

Alumni of the university include some of the major figures of modern history, including physicist James Clerk Maxwell, naturalist Charles Darwin, philosopher David Hume, mathematician Thomas Bayes, surgeon Joseph Lister, signatories of the American declaration of independence James Wilson, John Witherspoon and Benjamin Rush, inventor Alexander Graham Bell, first president of Tanzania Julius Nyerere, and a host of famous authors such as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Robert Louis Stevenson, J.M. Barrie and Sir Walter Scott.

I bet 90% of readers glaze out at Maxwell, with an exponential decay from there. For my money, this sentence, combined with the following sentence, is a giant wall of snow-blinding puff unsuited to the lead.

inventor Alexander Graham Bell, first president of Tanzania Julius Nyerere,

That's ugly. It works for Mr Bell because the modifier is only one word.

As a combined noun-modifier: "first-president-of-Tanzania Julius Nyerere".

As an appositive: "first president of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere,".

Or one might try a more formal style all around:

... surgeon Joseph Lister; signatories of the American declaration of independence: James Wilson, John Witherspoon[,] and Benjamin Rush; inventor Alexander Graham Bell; ...

But that would add a lot of chicken scratch, and then it would be even more obvious the whole mess is too top heavy for the lead. That said, every famous university seems to devote half the lead to burnished penis size, so what do I know? — MaxEnt 05:14, 9 May 2017 (UTC)