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One thing: The article says that they are "mistakenly called 'gods' - but then consistenly refers to them as "gods" itself. Perhaps this should be changed to read something like "Yavanna, who rules nature, growth and harvest" or "the Vala of nature growth and harvest" instead of "Yavanna, the goddess of nature, growth, and harvest"?

I'll change this myself if others agree.

—Good by me... go for it. I agree. -Manuel Manuelcuribe (talk) 04:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :...and oh, just to mention, you can sign as per <--- by just typing in four "tildes" as in "~". You being a kindred Tolkienite, it'd be nice to have a click-spot to get in touch. Especially as you're considerate enough to ask others for their oppinion!

—— Amarié! Thank you! Whoever or whomsever put this page together. Chris? You have anything to do with this? - ... A.K.A. Manuel Uribe in México, D.F. : )

Other known clickable alias: Manuelcuribe (talk) 04:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC), but that has seriously been my email for ages. Email me for proof : Þ

Mortals are immortal or not?[edit]

The intro says the following:

This is something of a misnomer; only immortal beings were allowed to reside there, but the land itself, while blessed, did not cause mortals to live forever. Amongst the exceptions to this were the surviving bearers of the One Ring — Bilbo and Frodo Baggins and also Samwise Gamgee, who bore the One Ring for some time during their perilous journey to Mt. Doom — and Gimli son of Glóin who, it is said, accompanied his friend Legolas to Valinor.

Does that mean that Frodo et al were exceptions to not becoming immortal while arriving in Valinor, or that they were exceptions allowed to live there?

Also, do we have any sources for any of this?LedRush (talk) 14:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Sources are essential, especially about SAm and Gimli and Legolas. Frodo says Sam might come some day, but I don't know where Gimli and Legolas are mentioned in this regard. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Re Sam and Gimli, see the end of Appendix B (S.R. 1482 and 1541). (Legolas, of course, is already immortal.) In the Letters (#156, p. 205), Tolkien clarifies that the Undying Lands do not confer immortality on mortals. See also #249, p. 328–9: "Frodo was sent or allowed to pass over Sea to heal him -- if that could be done, before he died. He would have eventually to "pass away": no mortal could, or can, abide for ever on earth, or within Time." -- Elphion (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)