Talk:Velarized alveolar lateral approximant

"Alveovelar lateral approximant"?

Could this consonant also be called an "alveovelar lateral approximant"? Denelson 83 18:40, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It could be, I suppose, but "alveovelar" is not really a word. The precedent with compounds with "alveolar" is "alveolo-", so if anything it would be "alveolo-velar". Nohat 19:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is, is [ɫ] truly [lˠ], or is it [l͡ɰ]?

I'm not sure. Phonetically, it's difficult to distinguish between doubly articulated approximants and secondary articulation, since 2ary articulation is approximant-like. However, phonologically, this sound is a velarized alveolar in all languages that I'm aware of:

In English, [lˠ] is an allophone of [l]
In Russian and Turkish, [lˠ] contrasts with [lʲ]
In Marshalese, [lˠ] is part of a series of velarized consonants, such as [nˠ]

Also, except for clicks, no other alveolar-velar consonant has ever been attested in any language. This makes it doubtful (though certainly not impossible) that [ɫ] is an alveolar-velar [l͡ɰ] in any language either. kwami 19:23, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish gaelic

I added a section on Scottish gaelic and the three different 'l's, but I can't decide if it's confusing to read... thoughts? Lliamm 09:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish L

How would you write the allophonic difference of the L sounds in the Finnish words silta and siltä with IPA? [siɫtɑ] and [siltæ]? --85.156.230.132 (talk) 07:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it's an apical-laminal (respectivly) distinction in my speech but this may or may not be generalizable for others. We'd need a citation here to make something of this. --Tropylium (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are totally right!! Finnish is missing here in the list. The "l" in "halla" (frost) is very similar to the VAL approximant. -andy 92.229.73.75 (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IPA chart position

Where is the exact position of this dark L in consonants table? (place of articulation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.137.145 (talk • contribs)

Arabic Allah

“ Arabic Standard[3] الله [ʔɑɫ̪ːɑːh] 'God, Allah' Also transcribed as <lˤ>. ”

I think الله has to be [ʔɑɫ̪ˈɫ̪ɑː^h], because the stress is on the second part [ˈɫ̪ɑː^h].
[ʔɑɫ̪ːɑːh] makes it stressed on the first part. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction. Actually, putting no stress mark doesn't mean it's stressed on the first syllable, it's just not marking it. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 17:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

dark L

Is it when the L sounds like a W ? 167.1.176.4 (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds more w-like, but not completely. If l sounds exactly like w, then it's probably a case of l-vocalization

Pharyngeal

Considering that the the article includes pharyngealized [l] (in the description and the examples), should we rename this article to something like "Dark alveolar lateral approximant"? — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 18:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is it also contains the denti-alveolar one. We should rename it to simply "Dark lateral approximant", and split the tables into two or three like it's on the clear l page. --Ahls23 (talk) 04:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

German dialects (Cologne)

Isn't that the same sound the inhabitants from Cologne produce when they pronounce their city in standard German with their Kölsch dialect Köln [ˈkœɫn] ? Well I think so. -andy 217.50.43.11 (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it is. --89.79.88.109 (talk) 11:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Supposed OR on Brazilian Portuguese

I previously alerted kwami over change of content, and he was not autoritative in any way that it should not be put here. It is attested in the sound file I gave here, which is the standard pronunciation of Lituânia (you would know just hearing to any source in Brazilian Portuguese). And Aeusoes1, you know my arguments about fluminense... It is obvious that this dialect has a singular phonology because of recent immigration waves. It would be weird if Brazilian Portuguese hadn't the same phoneme production it has in Portugal, even because l-vocalization is a tendency more common in languages that have velarized els. Lguipontes (talk) 04:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unicode

The Unicode position is 026B. This should be mentioned! 83.77.253.211 (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]