Talk:Wales Rally GB

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Unless there's an objection, I'm going to be merging this article with Wales Rally Great Britain in the next week or so. However, I'd also like to poll opinions on renaming this article and making it a redirect.

Basically, I've been working to improve the World Rally Championship pages (inlcuding the WRC results), and I had to tidy a lot of event articles which were named for their current sponsors. That's no longer the case, but now the RAC Rally - which hasn't been so named in over a decade - is the only race which isn't named after the current race. So, I'd prefer one of the following: (i) "Rally Great Britain", (ii) "Rally GB", or (iii) the same titles preceded by "Wales".

I'm having difficulty getting irrefutable citations to support me, but I think the biggest reason "Wales" is in the title is because of the sponsorship by the Welsh Assembly (source:, so I'd prefer not to have "Wales" in the article title. And, according to the WRC's official site, the event's official site and Googlefight, "Rally GB" is preferred to "Rally Great Britain". Therefore, my preferred article page would be Rally GB.

Any discussion to offer in this regard? -- DeLarge 19:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

While I can certainly see your logic, there's a historical aspect which I (& perhaps others of my age) would like considered. To my age group, it was always the RAC Rally (& to many others older & younger, I suspect). Is there any way to retain, under this original title, the part that relates to the years in which it was called the RAC Rally, as that was an evocative and romantic period in UK & international motoring history? The later stuff should be merged, that's for sure. - Ballista 05:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm actually "of that age" myself, so I totally sympathise. I haven't been to a British WRC event since the '90s when they got too scared of coming up to Kielder and started charging for access to stages as well. As I mentioned in a now archived discussion on my talk page, I'm no fan of the WRC's "rebranding" of the RAC, the 1000 Lakes, etc, which are much more evocative and characterful names. However, other events (like the 1000 Lakes) were already redirecting before I got here, and I'm looking to get as much order into what's a fairly chaotic little mini-portal. Trust me, though, I want to add more historical content, not take it away.
What I'd hope to do would be to (a) redirect RAC Rally to Rally GB, (b) move the current content of this article over, and (c) structure the page so that we'd get
  • Overview of Rally GB, including previous names like RAC Rally
  • Description of event, biggest winners, historical events of note, etc
  • List of previous winners from 1932-2005.
Despite the name changes, we're now heading for the 62nd Wales Rally GB, so it has a clearly continuous history. I think the best way to "honour" the old events is to make sure they're not hived off into a different article and left to gether dust. -- DeLarge 07:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Major edit, August 15 2006[edit]

OK, I've pretty much finished merging the content of RAC Rally and Wales Rally Great Britain into a single article, I tidied the History section so that the finishing points were included in the winners' table, sectioned off the different history bits, and wikilinked stuff like the cars. I also added a bit about the Roger Albert Clark Rally (and I created a Roger Clark page while I was at it), and slimmed down the Group B paragraph.

Finally, I won an eBay auction for "RAC Rally" by Max Le Grand (ISBN 1870519302), so I'm hoping to fill in the blanks in the results with it. --DeLarge 20:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


There's nothing "inconsistent" about the flagicons used for drivers, as they match exactly the flags used beside their names on the cars they drive.

...and so on. Rally drivers represent themselves and their teams. If and when they drive for Britain, they can be so listed. I'm therefore reverting this article so that it matches the individual drivers' pages, their categorisation, and the World Rally Championship pages as well. --DeLarge 18:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem with that reasoning is that it contradicts with the consesus reached (on several pages). In that the drivers are registered under the country were they live. Which in the case of any driver from Scotland, England and Wales is the flag of Great Britain. They may be from those states, but their nationality is British, which they must race under.
I certainly think this page needs a major update, to conform with this concensus. Dale-DCX 15:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Oops, I used the incorrect terminology. There nation may be England, Wales or Scotland, but they are from the state of Great Britian. I know the general idea is there, I just wanted to be more specific. Dale-DCX 01:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Brunstrom's Cash Machines[edit]

When was it they had the problem with drivers being snagged by speed cameras while driving between stages? Kinitawowi 21:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


corrected location of park's memorial in estonia. previously, it said a memorial was set up for markko (martin), instead of park.

Lombard's sponsoring duration not correct?[edit]

The article says that Lombard started to sponsor the event in 1974 and they withdrew sponsorship after 19 years, which would make that 1989 as the last year that they sponsored it. But I have the BBC's broadcast (off air) coverage of the event in 1990 and 1991 and it is STILL CALLED the LOMBARD RAC Rally in both 1990 and 1991 (says so on the signs on the large "stage" that the cars start from and also signs on this same "stage" at the end of the event). So someone needs to correct it please. Unfortunately I don't know what year it stopped being the Lombard RAC rally. --Live Steam Mad (talk) 03:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

1974+19=1993 not 1989, seems you may have read that sponsoring started in 1970, but the first 4 years were The Daily Mirror not Lombard.Lmcgregoruk (talk) 08:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Why did the event move purely to Wales ?[edit]

I have been watching coverage of the Lombard RAC rally of 1990 and 1991 (see my youtube channel) and would like to know please why in the last decade or so the event stopped being in England and Wales and became a Wales exclusive rally ? Please can someone add a valid reason for this to the main article. --Live Steam Mad (talk) 03:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposed move[edit]

I think that this article should be moved to "Rally Wales GB" (the official WRC name) and Rally GB be the re-direct. What do others thing? Bjmullan (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Event name[edit]

I changed the intro on 31/04/11 with extra detail and to reflect the name of the event given in table lower down in the article, however this was all reverted with a reason that my edit was 'wrong' - if the table is in error then please also edit the table, but I think the table was accurate in which case my edit should have been left alone? :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)