Talk:We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes

This album is connected!

• All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have had disambig links placed at the appropriate article or disambiguation page.--Hraefen ^Talk 22:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

ID of "Trevor Adams"

The recent wikification of Trevor Adams's name might be good, but I sort of see a problem here: How do we know that the Trevor Adams the "Trevor Adams" article is about is the same as the Trevor Adams the album is dedicated to? Does the link even imply that? What should be done about this? The Storm Surfer 21:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I can just about guarantee you that the Trevor Adams linked to is not the correct Trevor Adams. There was a band in Bellingham (where DCfC is from) called Pacer. Their drummer was named Trevor, and IIRC his last name was Adams. If you read the history here [1], there are frequent mentions of a Trevor in the group of people around early DCfC. It would also make sense as the previous album Something About Airplanes is dedicated to Barton Sharp (the Bart in the winter 1997 entry)--Saul T (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I am the Trevor Adams that the Death Cab album is dedicated to. Yes, I played in the band Pacer and was (still am) friends with the guys in Death Cab. I am not the British actor Trevor Adams or the beefcake/model/body-builder Trevor Adams who pops up first when you Google my name. Neither am I the Trevor Adams who once put out an album called Country Classics. I lived in Bellingham, WA from 96-99. I live in Grand Junction, CO, and work in a library. I am not famous so I am not that find-able online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.225.125 (talk) 04:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Instruments for Christopher Walla

I don't know what the CD notes say, but shouldn't he be listed as playing 'Guitar' rather than 'telecaster'? Telecaster is a Fender guitar model, but it's still a guitar, not a separate instrument. Is it written this way because of how the CD credits him or should this be corrected? -Austin Gibbons (talk) 19:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Kinda comes off like an advert

A large part of this article are positive quotes from one of the artists who released the album. jus' sayin'.

173.132.24.122 (talk) 04:28, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Moi

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Though I had recently failed numerous music articles which included album nominees, that was because they were too far from meeting the criteria. I have made sure to select an article that can be reviewed without a likely fail, so I am taking this on since it looks fine after having a glance but I will have comments soon. --K. Peake 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Cover art needs alt text
• Target The Hall of Justice to Chris Walla
• Remove target on Washington
• Remove wikilink on Chris Walla under producers per WP:OVERLINK
• Remove wikilink on studio album
• Target rock to Rock music
• "band Death Cab for Cutie, released on March 21, 2000 through" → "band Death Cab for Cutie. It was released on March 21, 2000, through"
• "The band—composed of" → "The band, which originally composed of"
• "and drummer Nathan Good—formed" → "and drummer Nathan Good, formed"
• Should it be Bellingham, Washington or Bellingham with the target to the aforementioned?
• "The quartet issued their debut album," → "Their debut studio album,"
• "in 1998 through Seattle-based independent label Barsuk," → "was released in 1998 by Barsuk," since this is too much for the lead
• "exited the band." → "exited Death Cab for Cutie."
• "Between albums," → "Between the two albums,"
• "released music through" → "released music via"
• "We Have the Facts was developed over a period of five months between the three, and" → "Over a period of five months between the four, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was developed, and"
• "Its recording came at a" → "The recording came at a"
• "these post-collegiate anxieties" → "the post-collegiate anxieties"
• "narratives with abstract imagery" → "narratives and abstract imagery" with the appropriate wikilink
• "We Have the Facts is sonically" → "The album is sonically"
• Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "with its despondent sound and spindly guitar work heavily influenced" → "featuring a despondent sound and spindly guitar work that was heavily influenced"
• "the slowcore genre." → "slowcore."
• "Upon its March 2000 release on Barsuk, We Have the Facts received" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes received"
• Target music critics to Music journalism
• Add a bit about what was praised
• Are you sure you can't add a sentence after this about the legacy of the album since there was rankings?
• "The band supported the LP with its" → "Death Cab for Cutie supported the album with their"
• Target singles to Single (music)
• "were released from the album, though the LP" → "were released, though it"
• "several months after its release." → "later in 2000."

Background

• Retitle to Background and development
• Img needs alt text
• Change the main text to still mentioning him by name as the frontman, but reword to having relevance to what is written around him in this section
• The entire first para has no citation(s); one or more needs to be added, depending on how many are used for this info
• Wikilink Ben Gibbard
• "during his time attending" → "while he attended"
• Wikilink Bellingham, Washington
• "under the name Death Cab for Cutie, named" → "under the analysis of Death Cab for Cutie, named" unless that is the name of the demo tape then → "under the title of Death Cab for Cutie, named" is the appropriate version
• Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band → Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band
• "It was produced by" → "The demo tape was produced by"
• "multi-instrumentalist Christopher Walla," → "guitarist/producer Chris Walla" with the wikilink
• "had met a concert." → "had met at a concert."
• "local attention, prompting" → "local attention and prompted"
• "to assemble a lineup." → "to assemble a band lineup."
• Wikilink Nick Harmer
• "joined as bassist," → "joined as the bassist,"
• Wikilink Nathan Good
• "the quartet were signed to Seattle label Barsuk Records," → "Death Cab for Cuite had signed to Seattle record label Barsuk Records," with the wikilinks
• "released their debut album, Something About Airplanes (1998)." → "their debut studio album Something About Airplanes (1998) was released through."
• "in Bellingham, while Harmer" if this is meaning at the same time then it should not have a comma; otherwise, keep the one
• "Both moved back in" → "The two of them moved back in"
• "while Gibbard rented an apartment" → "though Gibbard rented an apartment"
• "different: he was getting married, and had" → "different, with him getting married, and he had"
• "In addition, he lacked" → "In addition to this, Good lacked"
• "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer shared." → "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer had."
• "Good departed the band" → "Good departed Death Cab for Cutie"
• "between April–September 1999." → "from April to September of that year."
• Citation(s) are missing at the end of the para and maybe for other sentences too
• "the group would make only" → "the band only made"
• "mainly went to" → "mainly went towards"
• Target Econoline to Ford E-Series and are you sure it shouldn't be called Ford Econoline?
• "in the band's history as "interstitial"," → "in the history of Death Cab for Cutie as "interstitial,""
• [2] should solely be at the end of the para after [1]
• "lacking assurance of what was" → "with them lacking assurance of what was"

Recording and production

• The opening para should mention how this was in 1999
• "We Have the Facts, like" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, like"
• "environment than professional" → "environment rather than professional"
• Remove wikilink on studio
• "Much of the LP was tracked at Harmer's mother's house" → "Much of the former was tracked at the house of Harmer's mother"
• "working to obtain her" → "working towards obtaining her"
• Target doctoral degree to Doctorate
• "The three lived there for" → "Death Cab for Cutie lived there for"
• "Recording of the album later moved" → "Recording for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was later relocated"
• "parents' home" → "parents' house"
• "and label-mates Sunset Valley." → "and label-mates, Sunset Valley."
• "The group worked intently" → "They worked intently"
• "there was little else" → "there was not much else"
• Img needs alt text
• "Like past efforts," → "Like past releases by Death Cab for Cutie,"
• "served as producer." → "served as producer on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
• "photography: simply document" → "photography; this is simply documenting"
• "Walla found this perspective" → "Walla found the perspective"
• "as doing what" → "as to do what"
• "the songwriting than distract." → "the songwriting rather than distract."
• "Recording drums proved" → "The recording of drums proved"
• "into recording, and with Gibbard" → "into recording and with Gibbard"
• "of the instrument, no one" → "with the instrument, none of the band members"
• "for the bulk of the LP," → "for the bulk of the album,"
• "practicing to sufficiently improve" → "practicing for sufficiently improving"
• "On the album, he" → "On We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, Gibbard"
• "to ensure his timing." → "for ensuring his timing."
• "Former drummer Good contributed percussion to two tracks," → "Good contributed percussion to the tracks"
• "The group decided to record these" → "Death Cab for Cutie decided to record the"
• "was set to begin." → "was set to begin for the album."
• Is there any known reason why for this?
• Target mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• "The album was finalized" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was finalized"
• Can you add when this happened?
• "a Super Friends reference." → "a reference to the animated television series Super Friends." with the target
• "Later in 2000, the band's label, Barsuk, would purchase" → "Later in 2000, Barsuk purchased"
• "he renamed it" → "he subsequently renamed it"
• "After the LP was completed," → "After We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was completed,"
• Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
• "mastered the LP." → "mastered the album."
• Again, citation(s) are missing at the very end of the para; [5] should be solely at the end and any others if they are missing

Composition

• This should be split into two full sections, as I will explain below

Music

• This is two paragraphs so can be its own section instead of a sub one, and title this Music and composition
• "We Have the Facts is stylistically" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is stylistically"
• "led many to categorize We Have the Facts" → "led to many writers categorizing the album"
• "the album has been" → "it has been"
• "an "emo classic"." → "an "emo classic.""
• "on We Have the Facts are" → "on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes are"
• "on later efforts; Gibbard later highlighted" → "those of later projects, with Gibbard later highlighting"
• "guitar-work" in a ranking of the band's albums." → "guitar-work."" since that context is not relevant
• "In his early twenties," → "During his early 20s,"
• Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat
• "and incentivized intricate guitar lines on We Have the Facts" → "and incentivizing intricate guitar lines for the album"
• "He also conceded his" → "Gibbard also conceded that his"
• "in early Death Cab work," → "in early work by Death Cab for Cutie,"
• [2] should be solely at the end of the sentence before [8]
• "also suggested the LP aurally" → "also suggested We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is aurally"
• "the album on an" → "the album with an"
• "a 16-channel board with" → "which is a 16-channel board that has"
• "also had built-in presets," → "also has built-in presets,"
• "the group ended up" → "the band ended up"
• "Otherwise, the album is mostly" → "Elsewise, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes mostly has an"
• "produced via a" → "that were produced via a"
• Target delay pedal to Delay (audio effect)
• Target Yamaha to Yamaha Corporation
• "and lined up" → "and ultimately lined up"

Lyrics

• Four paras is easily enough for a full section and title this to Themes and lyrics
• "Gibbard's songwriting" → "Gibbard's songwriting on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
• "approach, frequently utilizing" → "approach and frequently utilizing"
• "Much of this songwriting" → "Much of the songwriting"
• "he acknowledged his privilege" → "Gibbard acknowledged his privilege"
• "in America":" → "in America," admitting that,"
• "interpreted We have the Facts as" → "interpreted the album as"
• "chronicling a decaying" → "that chronicles a decaying"
• "noting that the album" → "noting that We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
• "Gibbard cited musicians Elliott Smith and Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker" → "He cited Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker and fellow musician Elliott Smith"
• Target lo-fi to Lo-fi music
• "and likened this effect" → "and likened the effect"
• "to a higher-qualiy" → "to a higher-quality"
• "the first portion was" → "both parts of the first portion were"
• "in mastering; Tony Lash narrowed the" → "during mastering; Lash narrowed the"
• Remove wikilink on stereo
• "the album no different than" → "the album was no different to"
• "letting its lower-quality" → "letting the lower-quality"
• "upon his move to Seattle," → "upon his moving to Seattle,"
• "development of 1998's Something About Airplanes." → "development of Something About Airplanes."
• "It touches on" → "The track touches on"
• "with its localized title a" → "with its localized title being a"
• "stems from the several" → "stemmed from the several"
• Target Interstate Highway to Interstate Highway System
• "on the west coast, but" → "on the West Coast of the United States, though"
• Remove wikilink on cigarette
• Are you sure "hide" shouldn't have a capitalized start?
• "originates from the fact" → "originated from the fact"
• "the two hid the cigarette butts underneath the patio" → "the two of them hid cigarette butts underneath their patio"
• "recorder, and gave" → "recorder and ultimately gave"
• "in an odd tuning," → "in an odd tuning;"
• "he had viewed" → "Gibbard had viewed"
• "on earlier efforts" → "on earlier works"
• "which was a big" → "who were a big"
• "a proper marriage" → "to be a proper marriage"
• "with its predecessor," → "with the predecessor,"
• "on the Forbidden Love EP a few months later." → "on The Forbidden Love EP later in 2020."
• "demo of just Gibbard and his guitar." → "demo, which featured solely Gibbard and his guitar."
• "cost only four dollars." → "cost only $4."
• "stems from the home the group" → "stemmed from the home Death Cab for Cutie"
• "that had no heating" → "which had no heating"

Release and commercial performance

• "The album's title stems" → "The title We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes came"
• "that formed the band" → "who formed the band"
• "he wore a" → "Burgle wore a"
• Remove wikilink on Nebraska
• The first two sentences of the second para should be in the first para instead
• "issued We Have the Facts in March 2000 on compact disc and vinyl." → "issued the album on March 21, 2000, releasing it on CD and vinyl." with the targets
• "were issued:" → "were issued;"
• "Expectations were higher for We Have the Facts for the band." → "Sales expectations were higher for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes for Death Cab for Cutie." and this will be the start of the second para instead
• "Though they band were" → "Despite the band being"
• "to later efforts." → "to their later projects."
• "We Have the Facts was supported at" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was supported by"
• Target college radio to Campus radio
• "premiered eleven positions" → "premiered 11 places" per MOS:NUM
• "it had sold" → "the album had sold"
• "These numbers were considered" → "The numbers were considered"
• "for Barsuk, which" → "for the record label, which"

Critical reception

• Ratings box looks good
• "We Have the Facts debuted to a positive critical reception." → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was met with positive reviews from music critics."
• "it received" → "the album received"
• [10] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [6]
• "viewed it the band's" → "viewed the album as the band's"
• "yet, a" → "yet, calling it a"
• "effort marking Gibbard's" → "effort which marks Gibbard's"
• Pitchfork should be italicised
• "likened it to the work" → "likened We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes to the work"
• ""delicate beauty"." → ""delicate beauty.""
• PopMatters should be italicised
• "praised it as" → "praised the album for being"
• "A Rolling Stone editor" → "An editor of The Rolling Stone Album Guide" with the wikilink
• All of the reviews need to have the citations at the end of their sentences; use refnames to do this for them obviously since the citations are included in the ratings box
• "called it a marvelous" → "called the album a marvelous"
• Target pop to Pop music
• "called it an" → "branded the album an"
• "Jon Pareles included it in a New York Times listing" → "Pareles included it in a listing for The New York Times

Legacy

• "For its twentieth anniversary," → "For its 20th anniversary,"
• "retroactive pieces celebrating the album," → "retrospective pieces celebrating ''We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
• Remove the "including..." part since that is the type of thing written in a lead overview
• "The band has generally looked back at We Have the Facts" → "Death Cab for Cutie has generally looked back at the album"
• "as evidenced by this 2011 quote:" → "doing so in 2011:"
• "That second record," → ""That second record,"
• "of all time by" → "of all time by editors of"
• Remove target on Pitchfork
• "the Pacific Northwest."" → "the Pacific Northwest"." since that is a title, not a quote
• Where are the Spin and Stereogum celebrations of the album?

Track listing

• A sentence should be directly before the current that reads: "Credits adapted from..." when you add a citation that they are adapted from, since they are currently unsourced
• Per MOS:TABLECAPTION, you need a headline here

Personnel

• Again, you are missing a citation for the credits
• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between personnel
• Any specific order for the members here?
• drums on "The Employment Pages" and "Company Calls Epilogue" → drums on tracks 2 and 8
• Target samples to Sampling (music)
• Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
• Target mastering to Mastering (audio)

Charts

• Are you sure you can't add this table using the Top 200 position from CMJ New Music Report?

References

• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Copyvio score looks a bit high at 41.9%; trim the quoting from ref 1 slightly to fix this
• Target Spin to Spin (magazine) on ref 1
• Cite YouTube as publisher instead for ref 2 and wikilink
• Target Hal Leonard Corporation to Hal Leonard LLC on ref 3
• Wikilink Sound on Sound on ref 4, while authorlink Paul Tingen
• Cite In Music We Trust as publisher instead for ref 5 and wikilink, plus fix MOS:CAPS
• Remove Noisey from ref 7 and solely cite Vice under work/website, while target to Vice (magazine)
• Authorlink Neil Strauss on ref 8
• Wikilink Stereogum on ref 9
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 11
• Target Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 12
• Remove CMJ Network, Inc from ref 13 and cite CMJ New Music Report solely as publisher instead
• Do this ref 14 too but remove the target this time
• Thevine.com.au → thevine.com.au on ref 23
• Remove target on Pitchfork for ref 25

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold after I reviewed it shortly following on from the opening, though the main issue I observed was that you abbreviated the album's title consistently. --K. Peake 19:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

• I will have to ✗ Fail this due to the nominator's lack of activity, though I am becoming tired of so many articles being unable to pass. To be fair, maybe I should have checked the user's edit history before undertaking this review. --K. Peake 07:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)