Talk:Welding goggles

Quality issues, particularly re: arc welding

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Your reason for inserting "dubious" is unclear. Do you think that it is safe to do arc welding without filters over the eyes to prevent eye damage (Arc eye) from the intense UV radiation, or do you think that OSHA approved filters in the goggles do not provide enough protection? Please read the references cited in the article, such as pages 31-33 of [1]. Use of the goggles or equivalent hood was mandatory when I took welding class, and I have known people who suffered horrible eye pain from watching arc welding being done without such protection in industry where safety rules were not followed. Books on welding have long emphasized the importance of welding goggles or hood with filter. Your objection is unclear. Thanks. Edison (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goggles are inadequate for arc.

I'm within a whisker of submitting the whole article to AfD, as it's extremely dubious throughout, far from clear in its basic readability, and probably falls foul of WP:NOTHOWTO as well. Your attitude of "I've known people who..." is second-hand OR, not even WP:OR, and would sit more easily if this was a better article. Andy Dingley (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that my personal experience was never part of the article, nor is it a how to. An "attitude" has nothing to do with WP:OR. Please explain what part of OSHA requirements, recommendations form the American Welding Association, and every book on welding are "dubious?" Do you feel these are not reliable sources? Do you feel that I did not show multiple reliable and independent sources with significant coverage of welding goggles? I was actually shocked when there was an issue regarding protection of the eyes from extreme vivual radiation on the Reference Desk and there was no coverage of welding goggles in Wikipedia. AFD is thataway, and you are welcome to nominate the article if you have done WP:BEFORE, and if you feel that the subject is nonnotable.If the subject is notable, then an article should be improved rather than deleted. Articles do not have to be perfect when they are first posted. Note that I developed the article first in my own sandbox and only moved it to main space after a period of development. Edison (talk) 13:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Please explain what part of OSHA requirements, recommendations form the American Welding Association, and every book on welding are "dubious?" "

The part you haven't read. I'm not particularly familiar with OSHA (I'm a Brit), but I'd be amazed if your relevant guidelines regard goggles (rather than a full-face mask) as acceptable for arc. Just to spell it out for you, I'm not claiming that goggles aren't necessary for arc welding, I'm claiming that they aren't sufficient for it.

This article has gaping holes in it. I have less issue with the few things it does say than with the vast amount it's omitting. Considered as a whole (and I hope the naive enquirer doesn't see it) it's seriously misleading. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well it is a great relief that you are arguing that the article requires expansion and clarification rather than asserting it is ok to weld without goggles or the equivalent filtering in a face shield or helmet. The article does not and did not say that welding goggles protected the face. They protect the eyes, from intense visual radiation from oxyacetylene welding and from the UV of arc welding. If the article somehow implies that goggles provide complete protection from all hazards of welding, that is an editing issue. Plastic or mesh face shields are a helpful supplement [2].The fumes are a hazard , as well as sparks and debris affecting the rest of the face (or body for that matter). Goggles are sufficiant for some welding operations. See [3], for instance. The optical filtering must be present in whatever protection is used, and this is not addressed to much extent in other welding articles. Edison (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Workmen in the location who are not actually doing the welding, and who are far enough away that there are no thermal issues, still need suitable welding goggles, to avoid irritation of the eyes causing intense pain. Someone in the room where the arcwelding is being done, many feet away would be a good candidate for welding goggles. Edison (talk) 02:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Badness

The argument from 2011 notwithstanding, this article is of rather poor quality, so I am making a note to myself here to come back later and clean it up a little at some point. jp×g 08:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I went to the talk page to leave myself a note to make this article be less bad and see that I left one here about five months ago. Such is life. jp×g 05:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so, the major thing that this article stumbles around and fails to say is this: welding goggles are for oxyfuel welding, cutting, heating, et cetera. They are also good for grinding. But they are basically not a good idea to wear for any electrical process. First of all, the shade in the lenses isn't dark enough, and second of all, the amount of light that comes out of an electric arc is very bright. This means that, even if the goggles are dark enough to protect your eyes, you will still sunburn the hell out of the rest of your face if you don't have it covered. This is why welding helmets go over your whole face.

Someone should find a reliable source that says this, and then cite this to that, preferably before any more people get their faces burned from reading this article. jp×g 05:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]