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Add list of crytid whales to species section?[edit]

I do realize that this is not a complete list (but I don't plan on making a complete one), but before I continue expanding this, I would like to know if I should continue (because I don't want it to be deleted when I'm finished with it...) Please give me your input onto my talk page by 8/1/15. Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 22:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Cryptid whales [1]

Species Description Image
Alula whale The Alula Whale, also known as the Alula Killer, is a cryptid that resembles a brown orca whale with a well-rounded forehead and white, star-like scars on the body. The dorsal fin, about 0.6 metres (2.0 ft) high, is prominent and often protrudes well above the surface of the water. It is roughly 7.3 metres (24 ft) long, and weighs around 1.8 metric tons (2.0 short tons). This species was discussed and illustrated for the first time, but not formally named, by W. F. J. Mörzer Bruyns in Field Guide of Whales and Dolphins. It has been reported along the Eastern Gulf of Aden to Socotra, and orcas have been seen in the area that are of a sepia brown color, however, they could be a local color variant or a mutation.
A white killer whale, similar in color to the Alula whale
Giglioli's whale (Amphiptera pacifica) Giglioli’s Whale is a cryptid observed by Enrico Hillyer Giglioli. It was described as having two dorsal fins, a feature which no known whales have. On September 4, 1867 on board a ship called the Magenta about 1200 miles off the coast of Chile, the zoologist spotted a species of whale which he could not recognize. It was very close to the ship (too close to shoot with a cannon.) and was observed for a quarter of an hour, allowing Giglioli to make very detailed observations. The whale looked overall similar to a rorqual, 60 feet (18 m) long with an elongated body, but the most notable difference was the presence of two large dorsal fins about 6.5 feet (2 m) apart. No known whales have twin dorsal fins; the rorqual only has a single fin and some other whales have none. Other unusual features include the presence of two long sickle-shaped flippers and a lack of throat pleats. Another report of a two finned whale of roughly the same size was recorded from the ship Lily off the coast of Scotland the following year. In 1983 between Corsica and the French mainland, French zoologist Jacques Maigret sighted a similar looking creature. Although it has not been proven to exist, it was given a "classification" by Giglioli. However, scientists would classify the whale under Balaenopteridae. The whale may have been a genetic mutation. Given the species' alleged size (60 feet) and attributes, it is extremely doubtful such a species would not have been taken (and reported) by modern commercial whalers, bringing into doubt its very existence.
Giglioli's whale
High-Finned sperm whale (Physeter tursio) The High-finned sperm whale is a supposed variant or relative of the sperm whale that is said to live in the seas around the Shetland Islands in Europe, the Antarctic Ocean, and Nova Scotia. The major difference between this creature and other sperm whales is the presence of a tall dorsal fin on its back, which the sperm whale lacks. Two such stranded whales were supposedly observed by Sir Robert Sibbald. He described their dorsal fins as being similar to a "mizzen mast". Although species cannot be given scientific names until a type specimen is discovered, Physeter tursio has been suggested as the High-Finned Sperm Whale's scientific name by an early observer. A possible sighting was off the Annapolis Basin, Nova Scotia, Canada on either August or September 27, 1946. It was apparently trapped there for 2 days. Its length was estimated to be between 3 to 30 metres (9.8 to 98.4 ft). Cetacean needed
Trunko Trunko is the nickname for an animal reportedly sighted in Margate, South Africa, on October 25, 1924, according to an article entitled "Fish Like A Polar Bear" published in the December 27, 1924, edition of London's Daily Mail. The animal was first seen off the coast fighting two orcas for three hours. It used its tail to attack the whales and reportedly lifted itself out of the water by about 20 feet. The creature washed up on Margate Beach but despite being there for 10 days, no scientist ever investigated the carcass while it was beached, so no reliable description has been published, and until September 2010 it was assumed that no photographs of it had ever been published. Some people who have never been identified were reported to have described the animal as possessing snowy-white fur, an elephantine trunk, a lobster-like tail, and a carcass devoid of blood. While it was beached, the animal was measured by beach-goers and turned out to be 14 metres (46 ft) in length, 3 metres (9.8 ft) wide, and 1.5 metres (4.9 ft) high, with the trunk's length being 1.5 metres (4.9 ft), the trunk's diameter 36 centimetres (14 in), the tail 3 metres (9.8 ft), and the fur being 20 centimetres (7.9 in) long. The trunk was said to be attached directly to the animal's torso, as no head was visible on the carcass. For this feature, the animal was dubbed "Trunko" by British cryptozoologist Karl Shuker in his 1996 book The Unexplained. In the March 27, 1925, edition of the Charleroi Mail, in Charleroi, Pennsylvania, an article entitled "Whales Slain By Hairy Monster" reported that whales there were killed by a strange creature which was washed up on a beach exhausted and fell unconscious, but made its way back into the ocean and swam away after 10 days, never to be seen again. Cetacean needed

References

  1. ^ unknown. "Cryptid whales". cryptidz.com. 
I don't think these belong in the main article, since they are not yet recognised species. Once they are properly published in the scientific literature as confirmed species, then of course they can be added. Having said that, I see no reason not to make a brief mention that a number of cryptid whales are purported to exist, and link that to a cryptid whale page where the above information would be appropriate. It's not, in my opinion, that such information does not belong on Wikipedia, just that I don't think it belongs on this particular page. (Although I'd suggest more references, if possible). Anaxial (talk) 06:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
You're saying I should complete this list and put it up on a new article, right? Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 17:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that it's a valid topic for a new article, yes. I don't know what other interested parties might think, although there's no problem with being bold. Anaxial (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
A cetacean covered with diatoms, a genetic deformity, variability in dorsal fin shape, and hearsay shouldn't constitute the creation of a new article. GammaCepheus001 (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)