Talk:List of association football families

Divorced/previous families

(moved conversation) Adding here the conversation between myself and Hmlarson as I think it could be helpful to have more opinions on it:

Hi SuperJew, They divorced. In the United States, that indicates they are not a family. What are your thoughts? Hmlarson (talk) 19:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I was not aware of that :O Umm I think we should keep it (prob with a note), as they were married while they were playing soccer, no? --SuperJew (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd vote no. Wambach's re-married with kids. Her wife is not a soccer player. Huffman retired in 2014.ref Hmlarson (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

My point is that there was a point that they were both playing soccer and married --SuperJew (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I get your point - but that isn't the name of the article. Hmlarson (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I guess you could add a "divorced or previous families" section to be accurate. Hmlarson (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

For example: "List of foreign League X players" include players who "became" foreign even after leaving the league (for examples: Moses Ashikodi and Dexter Blackstock were capped for A&B after playing in the EPL, Daniel Gordon was capped for Jamaica after playing in the Bundesliga, Iain Ramsay was capped for the Philippines after playing in the A-League). I was going by that logic, to say players who were married should be included in the talked about list. However, your suggestion of adding a "divorced or previous families" section, (or perhaps a note) might be a good way to explain it sufficiently. --SuperJew (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I get it. As is, it’s outdated and inaccurate, though. They aren’t a family - haven’t been for quite some time. Hmlarson (talk) 02:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

So for having a "divorced or previous families" section, do you think that should be a sub-section in each country as needed or a general section (on the same header level as the countries)? --SuperJew (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

More thoughts are welcome :) --SuperJew (talk) 07:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Initial thought is if they are to be included, no extra section, just include them as others in the list are. Have more lucid thoughts on this but not it a position to explain it all just now ClubOranje^T 12:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Splitting the article

I split the English list some time ago since it was large enough to be its own article, but none of these sections that remain are large enough for that. I suggest we split them by continent/confederation, but the problem is that the continents are not the same as the FIFA confederations, except for Africa. I think this means for now we can easily split the African countries out, but I seek the consideration of other editors. It would also be good if someone could address the references section which is the article's biggest section at over 30,000 bytes, which it really shouldn't be. Onetwothreeip (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Onetwothreeip: I only saw this comment now. I agree that a split could work well, but how it was done now wasn't clear and resulted in me for example restoring an Algerian family. Also we should workout in families where two members play for different countries (for example Christian Vieri playing for Italy and Max Vieri for Australia) under which continent they should be and what to do in the other continent or just to double the information. Anyway, would suggest taking this to WT:FOOTY for more opinions. --SuperJew (talk) 09:14, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

As to the question, I think if splitting, it should be by confederation as that is how most of soccer works. --SuperJew (talk) 09:16, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Onetwothreeip: I took the discussion to WT:FOOTY to get a broader discussion. You are welcome to comment there too :) --SuperJew (talk) 06:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Surely we would include them in both countries. I have no problem splitting the article by confederation. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, not sure about the consensus in such cases, but isn't including them in both a redundant repitition of information? --SuperJew (talk) 09:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Somewhat, but there's really no way around it. This isn't really much of a problem, I would assume the articles about the English football team and the German football team have essentially duplicated information about the 1966 World Cup final for example. Onetwothreeip (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Not an issue. Happens all the time for all sorts of things. FIFA World Cup page probably lists all the past winners. Individual WC pages also list the winners. Country National Team page says they won it too. It's not killing any extra trees.... ClubOranje^T 12:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@ClubOranje: What you say makes sense. I was mostly thinking of it with all the talk lately at WT:FOOTY of not duplicating templates etc. Anyways, I think it's important in that case that when splitting we make sure to include everyone, as I feel it is quite easy in this case for information to get lost. --SuperJew (talk) 12:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd probably favour split by FIFA confederation. It's a defined split with little in the way of interpretation to cause argument, unlike continent or other options where a country is in multiple places (Turkey?) or otherwise disputable ClubOranje^T 12:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Only include notable footballers

Any chance we only include notable footballers on the list? Every player on the list should pass the criteria laid out (international or pros), else we could fill this up with thousands of amateur footballers. I think there's too many red links on the page otherwise. Let me know what you think.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ortizesp: I agree with this completely. Since there aren't any objections, anybody can start to remove the entries without Wikipedia articles. This would also apply to removing entries with articles but whose relatives do not. Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment See: List of entertainment industry dynasties, perhaps rul that should be at least three football players in the family or two in the case if they are very notable. Dawid2009 (talk) 13:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

This list needs to be split or trimmed

It now exceeds Wikipedia's technical limits. As a result templates at the bottom of the page may not display. See WP:PEIS for details.

I recommend splitting by country, either alphabetically or by geographically/regionally. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Temporarily resolved by replacing {{flagicon|country}} with {{flagg|cxxlo|country}} per Template:Flagg#Comparison with other templates.

This page is still very close to the limit, so further reductions are highly recommended. If reductions are not possible, then a split is recommended. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm a bit curmudgeonly and would remove all the flags. They seem to be saying "this person is from somewhere else" but that kind of detail is pointless when the list is hovering at the 2MB transclusion limit. Johnuniq (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

And now it is over the limit. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

This article has 488,102 bytes of markup; that's far too large. The page should be split into several parts. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I've recently discovered this article has had a lot of references once again which causes the last few cite web templates not to be displayed properly. It's about time to start splitting it up into e.g. List of European association football families as many of the football starts come from this continent. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Iggy the Swan: I've removed some unnecessary references and non-notable entries, but there still may be more in the article. Splitting a geographical list by continent is definitely a reasonable option, but is complicated by most of the FIFA confederations not matching with what are normally considered continents. Onetwothreeip (talk) 23:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes I have now seen when you did that; I thought by this above reply it was done recently. I know there are a few countries out there which are part one continent part another, the page I started yesterday only contains the countries which are definitely the right continent. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 06:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure about an article for European entries that only contains France and Germany. I considered separate articles for the French and German entries but I wasn't sure if they were big enough. An article containing all the European entries might also be too big. This is definitely one of the harder large articles to address, and I thank you for your attention to it. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I also split off some countries, including combining all the ex-Yugoslavia teams, and the African entries as the African confederation matches the continent itself. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I would recommend doing that with all of the continents, since this article is still way too long. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 22:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I support splitting this article per confederation. When I come to the article then I ecepted to find Spain players on the same page what Brazil players. If European and African players should be excluded then obviously we should do the same with every single confederation. This is even warranted to exclude Oeania with small population if we have separate article for former Yougoslavia. This article is far longer than recommended size. With regards Dawid2009 (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment to reduce coverage of the text, we cal also do this list by the same way what: List of entertainment industry dynasties, rule that should be at least three biographies in the family or two veryvital/notable. Dawid2009 (talk) 13:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)