Talk:William de Leybourne

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There was a wiiiiiiiiiiiide range of forms of the name and his titles in Norman French and Medieval Latin. See the Wikidata list for the principal ones and the Gascon Rolls and Foedera for citations, as needed. — LlywelynII 11:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for future article expansion

More at the Gascon Rolls, Foed., and the Clowes work already listed. — LlywelynII 11:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date of appointment

Hamilton, Richard Vesey (1896), Naval Administration: The Constitution, Character, and Functions of the Board of Admiralty and of the Civil Departments It Directs, London: George Bell & Sons, ISBN 9781150465000.

(Ch. 1) clearly lists 8 March 1287 and the Latin form Admirallus Maris Angliae. Given that he also clearly states he was "described" as such "at the assembly at Bruges", it seems the Norman French accord dated in the Gascon Rolls to 8 March 1297 was actually meant instead.

"The British Admiral", Colburn's United Service Magazine and Naval and Military Journal, London: Henry Colburn, October 1845, pp. 321–333.

(p. 322) clearly states the French form Admiral de la Mer du Roy d'Angleterre dated to 1294 but again mentions that's based on the Foedera, whose actual text appears to have been cleaned up into modern French and then misdated.

Actual dates, titles, and links to the Gascon Rolls and Foed. added. — LlywelynII 23:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional titles

The article stated

In 1294 he was appointed captain of the King's Fleet gathered at Portsmouth and styled as [[Admiral of the South]].{{sfnp|Houbraken & al.|1747|pp=[https://books.google.com/books?id=W5FcAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA271 271–273]}} The fleet was assembled to convoy [[Edmund Crouchback|Prince Edmund]] during the siege of [[Bayonne]] in [[Gascony]], France.<ref>{{cite book |last=Anderson |first=Adam |title=An Historical and Chronological Deduction of the Origin of Commerce |date=1787 |publisher=J. Walter |location=London |page=[https://books.google.com/books?id=GyzK3YkqwZEC&pg=PA254 254] |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=GyzK3YkqwZEC&pg=PA254 }}</ref> In the same year he was also appointed [[Admiral of the West]] and [[Irish Squadron (Royal Navy)|Admiral of the Irish Sea]]. He held both titles concurrently until 1306.

but, given that 1294 overlaps with an entirely different title in the sources and the hash other 18th/19th-century sources made of the guy's career and titles, I'll just leave those here until they've been fully checked and then slot them into the appropriate place in the corrected list of actual positions/titles. — LlywelynII 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]