Talk:Willis Tower

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How Long?[edit]

How long do we have to put up with this garbage of a name?

"Stokie"[edit]

The lawsuit section references the village of "Stokie". I think this may refer to Skokie, since after clicking the Stokie link, surprised at this gap in my Chicagoland knowledge, I was taken to a page about a London borough.

Re: restrooms on 103rd floor[edit]

Regarding the line "The restrooms on the 103rd floor, at 1,353 ft (412 m) high, are the highest (relative to street level) in the Western Hemisphere."

There is a single-hole restroom on the 104th floor. This is a mechanical space, which houses the cooling pumps that service the upper-third of the building, as well as communications infrastructure for radio and television stations, public-safety radio repeaters, and related equipment.

I can't provide any sources to support this, aside from the fact that I work for a TV station which has four ENG receive antennas on that floor, and am quite familiar with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thraddax (talkcontribs) 07:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Date construction started[edit]

The main body of the text states that the first steel was laid in April 1971. The infobox says that construction started in 1970. There have been two recent edits from User: Mr 167 to change the infobox to reflect the main text: [1] and the following edit. These edits were rolled back by User:David J Johnson. I do not know enough about the construction to judge which is correct. Can anyone explain the discrepancy between the body text and the infobox, or should the edits by Mr 167 be reinstated? Tim (Xevious) (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020[edit]

architects were Bruce graham and khan 103.66.50.61 (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- S.Hinakawa (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Name[edit]

This article should probably be named "Sears Tower" rather than "Willis Tower", on these grounds:

  1. First off, per WP:OFFICIALNAME, the actual legal name of the entity doesn't matter a whole lot, and we have very many articles that use common rather than official names; so arguments for "Willis Tower" on that basis have very little weight and can be safely ignored, pretty much.
  2. This Google Ngram shows that, in English books, "Sears Tower" is used more, even in present day. (It is true that the trend is toward "Willis Tower", but per WP:NOTCRYSTAL we are not supposed to extrapolate trends into the future and guess what the best name will be in some future time. Also, the area under each curve matters some, not just the current position.) We can consider another name change ten years from now.
  3. And but that's in printed books, which are going to tend to be more formal and be more inclined to use the official name. In informal conversation and writing, nobody calls it the "Willis Tower", certainly not in Chicago anyway (and more people refer to in Chicago than in any other place, and maybe in all other places combined). See WP:COMMONNAME. Oral use is hard to quantify, but there are several threads on [Reddit]] and Quora and so forth on the question -- [2], [3], [4], [5], Granted, these are just anecdotes from random individuals, but still... how else are you going to determine everyday use. And these responses an overwhelming consensus of some several score commenters indicating that "Sears Tower" is the name in common use.

Also, I mean, we're polluting the data stream ourselves to some degree. This article is the top result if you google "Sears Tower", the second result is this article. Wikipedia articles are a very popular source if informatuon, and by saying "The common name of this entity is Willis Tower" we are making that true in the minds of the public, to a degree. Let's not.

For the great majority of buildings, the common name and official name are the same, so no problem. When it's not (as here) we usually go with the common name. But not always. The article on the nearby John Hancock Center is named that, even tho the legal name is 875 North Michigan Avenue. Ditto with John Hancock Tower in Boston (legal name is 200 Clarendon Street). Hagia Sophia is titled that, not "Hagia Sophia Grand Mosque". Dancing House, not Nationale-Nederlanden Building. And so forth. To be fair, there are many counter-examples too (30 St Mary Axe, not "The Gherkin" and Sultan Ahmed Mosque not "Blue Mosque" and Casa Milà not "La Pedrera" and so on). For whatever reason, we almost always go with official names for athletic stadiums. Of course there's pressure on our sources from the naming rights holders, there.

Anyway, what say you? Herostratus (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

EDIT: Here, we have Google Trends which compares the uses of "Sears Tower" and "Willis Tower" as search terms in Google over the last five years. It does show Willis as topping Sears by 23-15, average daily search. That's 60-40. It's a data point. Decisive? I don't know... certainly important. Google Trends is a good tool for getting a data point for article naming, I think. I don't know how accurate it is (probably OK) but its fun... you can break the data down... we see that people in Poland prefer "Sears Tower", and nobody in Ukraine knows what the Willis Tower even is, but in most countries, including all of the Anglosphere, "Willis Tower" is preferred. As you might expect, interest is highest in Illinois, and in the Chicago Metro Area it's 2-1 in favor of "Willis Tower". That's contradicts my anecdotal evidence and is a strong point for "Willis". It's fine, I'm not arguing a side, just want to get this right. I think the question remains debatable. Herostratus (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)