Talk:Winter Hill air disaster
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Snow Cat?
[edit]and a snow cat vehicle had to be diverted from the A6 to cut a path for emergency vehicles though the track had been cleared by people using spades by the time it arrived.
- It is described a "snow-moving machine from RAF Weeton" in the book The Devil Casts His Net. There are Sno-Cat and Snowcat, this sounds more like an airfield snow plough or snow blower. --jmb (talk) 18:23, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
List of Names.
[edit]The revision of the article is based on Munich air disaster which occured some 3 weeks earlier and completely overshadowed the Winter Hill Disaster. There has been no effort to remove the names from this article. The list of names was to show the devastating effect on the motor trade on the Isle of Man and the population of a small island in general.
If there are particular facts that you feel are inaccurate, then you should correct them. However, large-scale reversion of unrelated changes is vandalism, and you should desist from such actions. (Agljones (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
- The names were removed not as an act of vandlism but to meet WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. I would suggrest that consensus should be gained on this talk page to add a list of names against guidelines. MilborneOne (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Clearly the list had undue weight, it was most of the article. Suggestion: put in the counts, e.g. Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships were killed. (or whatever the exact numbers are). For the crew, its justifiable to name the flight crew, but I'd just count the others.LeadSongDog (talk) 17:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks LSD, seems a resonable comprise to me. MilborneOne (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- The list of fatalities was printed in the Isle of Man Examiner newspaper in March 1958 and reprinted in Febraury 1998 for the 40th anniversary of the Winter Hill accident. The list of fatalities was widely reproduced in the newspapers in the Isle of Man in February and March 1958 and reproduced in two publications since this date. I am not sure if the description of 'Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships' would be a correct as this would suggest a more modern understanding of the organisation of car dealerships. On relection, the list indicates a more 1950's organisation of the motor-trade of small owner-operator with perhaps small number of employees. Rather then 'Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships,' there are perhaps three taxi drivers, one coach operator, an employee from a body-repair shop and an agent for agricultural parts. There is one managing director from the Isle of Man Motor-Trade in the list of fatalities from what may be seen as an area automotive dealership in the modern sense. Also, perhaps at least seven of the other fatalities and three of the survivors on this aircraft flight where also part of party of motor traders that were due to visit the Manchester carshow. I would like to include more information about the cause of the crash and aftermath which would give a much more balanced article. However, I have found it difficult to find the publication The Devil Casts His Net: The Winter Hill Air Disaster and do not wish to plagarised information directly from the internet.(Agljones (talk) 11:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC))
- Interestingly some of your summary above would probably fit better into the article then a list of names! MilborneOne (talk) 11:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- The list of fatalities was printed in the Isle of Man Examiner newspaper in March 1958 and reprinted in Febraury 1998 for the 40th anniversary of the Winter Hill accident. The list of fatalities was widely reproduced in the newspapers in the Isle of Man in February and March 1958 and reproduced in two publications since this date. I am not sure if the description of 'Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships' would be a correct as this would suggest a more modern understanding of the organisation of car dealerships. On relection, the list indicates a more 1950's organisation of the motor-trade of small owner-operator with perhaps small number of employees. Rather then 'Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships,' there are perhaps three taxi drivers, one coach operator, an employee from a body-repair shop and an agent for agricultural parts. There is one managing director from the Isle of Man Motor-Trade in the list of fatalities from what may be seen as an area automotive dealership in the modern sense. Also, perhaps at least seven of the other fatalities and three of the survivors on this aircraft flight where also part of party of motor traders that were due to visit the Manchester carshow. I would like to include more information about the cause of the crash and aftermath which would give a much more balanced article. However, I have found it difficult to find the publication The Devil Casts His Net: The Winter Hill Air Disaster and do not wish to plagarised information directly from the internet.(Agljones (talk) 11:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC))
- Thanks LSD, seems a resonable comprise to me. MilborneOne (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Clearly the list had undue weight, it was most of the article. Suggestion: put in the counts, e.g. Fifteen representatives from nine area automotive dealerships were killed. (or whatever the exact numbers are). For the crew, its justifiable to name the flight crew, but I'd just count the others.LeadSongDog (talk) 17:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I removed the list again with regard to the discussion above but it has been reverted, any reason why this article should be an exception in listing non-notable victims? MilborneOne (talk) 11:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- There is none. I therefore removed the list once again....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)