Talk:Yeppoon

External links to avoid

For User:Jylaan - take a look at Wikipedia:External links guideline, particularly on what to avoid. This includes:

• 5. Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising.

and

• 11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies).

I think "My Capricorn Coast" probably avoids what not to have in an ext. link -- but it is more about Capricorn Coast (which includes Emu Park, Byfield etc.) and not just Yeppoon. I will leave it for now as I don't have specific issues with it for now. But I would probably support editors who agree with me that it is not appropriate.--ZayZayEM (talk) 12:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi ZayZayEM, I understand some of what you're coming from, but if the websites are helpful to a visitor looking for more information about Yeppoon wouldn't all those websites be helpful? And about Yeppooninfo.com, if it wasn't a blog does that mean it would be eligible? MyCapricornCoast.com is a personal website as well, so what would the difference be?

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this :-). -- Jylan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jylaan (talk • contribs) 22:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

But please remember what wikipedia is. It's an encyclopedia. It's a tertiary reference designed to accurately and responsibly inform and educate readers. It is not a webdirectory. Wikipedia page WP:NOT may help explain this.

As to your question as to whether if Yeppoon.info wasn't a blog... I'm not sure how to answer. If it wasn't a blog it wouldn't be the same website. It wasn't excluded for being a blog. It was excluded for beinga personal weblog by a non-notable person unrelated to the topic. I'd also say it would count as advertising (the blog promotes your web-design business - bring up uneccessary conflict of interest issues into the picture as well).

External links should really be avoided. Available information should be put onto wikipedia (and then referenced). We shouldn't really be needing users to go to external websites to get the information they need.--ZayZayEM (talk) 05:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

YeppoonInfo.com isn't a personal blog any more. It used to be on, but I've since split up the original blog into two, one for information about Yeppoon and the other for my personal writings. There are still old posts on YeppoonInfo that aren't related to Yeppoon, that's probably why it looks like a personal blog.

I don't promote briter:webdesign any more on YeppoonInfo. Jylaan (talk) 03:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you understand what I mean by "personal" blog. I do not mean it is livejournal style "this is what I did". It is run by you as a personal individual (my weblog contains mostly science/news, but its still personal). It is a non-notable website not directly affiliated with the topic at hand. The current story is about a camping trip you and some friends went on with some pretty pictures. Its more than just raw information. There isn't anything wrong with that, it's just not quite appropriate for an encyclopedia.

Some personal weblogs may written by notable individuals or cover notable events and be acceptable sources. No information in your weblog is not available from other more appropriate sources.

Note: There is no other active part of your website apart from the blog. The forums are inactive.

Note²: Briter is still promoted on your website About

Note³ While you do have some webdesign skills, take a look at the My Capricorn Coast page[1]. It is much more well designed to be an actual information website. Doesn't look like a blog at all. (I don't even think he is using a standardised template). It has well seperated sections providing easily navigatable catalogued information and pictures Keppel Bay Islands.

Take a look through some of the policy pages I've directed you too. They will explain a bit more about what wikipedia is and is not. If you have specific questions ask me, visit the village pump, or sign up for a mentoring program.--ZayZayEM (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that I'm still covering a lot of information when I write about things, its just written in a different way from normal 'information' websites. You're right about the forum, I haven't done any promotion work on it yet but its something I plan to do. And I'm also planning to redesign the website so that it looks and behaves like traditional website. I've gotten rid of the old about page though, it was left over from the old blog. I wouldn't say that I was advertising my business though, more like stating a fact ;-).

You're right about mycapricorncoast.com, it has nice section divisions and good information. And yes, I have read the different Wikipedia information pages.

Also I have to disagree with you when you say that my website doesn't contain any information that can't be accessed from other sources. I think it contains a lot of information that can't be found anywhere else.

What is preventing it from being listed now? Is it the first-person writing style that I use? Or is it because YeppoonInfo is formatted like a blog, or is it because of another reason? Thanks for the discussion :-). If my website was redesigned and written in the third-person style, there wouldn't be much difference from mycapricorncoast.com. Jylaan (talk) 07:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It's your website. Don't try adding your own website to wikipedia. It is generally not considered appropriate.

Note: I do not mean merely anywhere else on online. If this material cannot be found anywhere else (period) I would then call in the reliability of your website (another reason why independent personal weblogs and small websites are best avoided).--ZayZayEM (talk) 08:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

So if someone else came along and added it, you would accept it because it wasn't theirs? That seems a bit ridiculous. Jylaan (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. But it would be one less reason for considering it innapropriate.--ZayZayEM (talk) 04:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of what changes you make to the website, it's unlikely it will ever satisfy rule 11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority hellboy (talk) 08:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I think if you went out and asked your average person on the street, they would think that YeppoonInfo was relevant to Yeppoon, and that it should be in this article. They wouldn't care (or realise) that it was a blog, or personal website, all they'd care about would be the information. Jylaan (talk) 07:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

What the average man/woman thinks/wants is somewhat irrelevant to this argument. Either way the link violates the well established rules of what should and shouldn't be linked to on Wikipedia. If you have problems with these policies then they are best brought up at the relevant Wikipedia policy page than here. hellboy (talk) 23:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Jylaan please take a step back and cool off. The reason why it is recommended you do not try to insert ytour personal material into Wikipedia is because you will likely take it personally when editors remove or change it. This is why Conflicts of Interest are relevant to this. If YeppoonInfo is something that the average man/woman/child finds relevant, please let them add it to Wikipedia. Then they can deal with trying to defend it's relevance. Your webiste is very clearly does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for External Links.--ZayZayEM (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

OK I'm stepping baaaack... And I see a whole lot of discussion about one link. :-P Jylaan (talk) 00:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

This Page Of Yeppoon Should Be Written With Twice as many as there is!

Yeppoon is a really great city with lots of People though this poor little Town where i just happen to live seems like a really tiny people place,Though in this town if u have been there.We have about more than 1000 people living with our cute little town we now have YSC(Yeppoon Shopping Center)(Yeppoon Central)The name they named it was quite silly!yes i can admit.Though this little place is Georges we have lots of beautiful beaches and creeks Like our beach's Main Beach,Lamamour,Farmbrough Beach and many others like Stanage Bay Also we have found a beach(bay)Caria Bay!!!!! white sand great clear water(most of the time the shore does get up and leaves do get swept in)though our creeks we have a lot to name some they have in Homes(out the back or on the farm)and our most loved creeks are Water Park,Ros Creek,Stonie Creek and lots more but here are the warnings you will not love about our beach's or creeks!

Warnings 4 Creeks And Beach:

Maine Beach(Sharks) Farmbrough Beach(Sharks) Lamamour(Sharks can be large or tiny crocks) Stonie Creek(Stone Fish but there have BEEN MYSTICAL CREATURES?) Ros Creek(Sharks and crocks everything u could amagine) Pools our pools r well nothing but GREAT go to Resort YEPPOON —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.99.84 (talk) 11:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Explanation of links to Capricorn Coast

Over the past week I've been building the Capricorn Coast page into something more than a few lines. I've done a hell of a lot of research and I've lived here most of my life, so have the benefit of local knowledge when it comes to know what to search for.

I found the Yeppoon page and it was light on content and read a lot like a tourist brochure (no offence anyone) so I've added a fair bit of info, largely culled from the capcoast page.

I do see 2 problems though. First, Yeppoon in an encyclopaedic sense, especially post LGA-reforms, is really just the area bounded by Ross Creek up to Barwells' Creek, and say west to Bondoola (roughly). Taranganba, Cooee Bay, and Bangalee are separate gazetted localities (even before LGA changes). Taking that thought process further, outlying areas like Rosslyn Bay, Emu Park, Byfield etc are irrelevant to talk about in detail on this page save to mention their proximity perhaps.

The problem with writing about Yeppoon is that it's not an isolated place where one can say, OK this is our history. To write the geography and history with enough detail to provide the full picture, one has to look at the greater area, eg Yeppoon was not the first place on the coast to be settled - It was one of the last. For say, a grade 6 student doing a local history project, they won't find out much at all just looking at Yeppoon's localised history. That's where the Capricorn Coast page comes in, and if anyone is wondering, that's why I've added extra links. If there is to be information on the region in Wikipedia, let's make it as comprehensive as possible.

If anyone wants to help contribute to the Capricorn Coast page, it would be really great. I've taken the liberty of inserting 'expand info boxes' where info that I know about, is needed. No doubt there are other things I don't know about so please, please, please contribute to the page.

XavierT3000 (talk) 02:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)