Talk:ZNetwork

Libertarian???

How many libertarians, socialist or otherwise, could write a two page eulogy about Hugo Chavez without a single negative word? This magazine may be many things, but it is not libertarian in any meaningful sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.202.166 (talk) 22:41, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

The link to libertarian socialism which is in the main article explains the background, opposing both state and corporate control, not just against centralization by just one of these. I have not seen the eulogy, but compared to corporate media anything other than "Chavez=evil" is considered subversive..but how does Z really feel? I happen to have found back in 2007 or so (give or take a few years) an audio or video by Z magazine co-founder Michael Albert from his visit to Venezula. He liked the neighborhood based, grassroots peoples assemblies...grassroots based cooperative from-the-bottom-up organizations. He was interviewing members. What about if there is a conflict between the needs of the people and this or that state or city institutution, he asked them? He reacted positively when they said, "in that case, f*ck the [city/state institution]" meaning the former should have precedence over the latter.

What about if there is a conflict between the true will of the people in the grassroots, and [Chavez's party basically]?" he next asked. He was happy again with their reply, "in that case, f*ck [Chavez' party]" meaning the former should have precedence over the latter. Being deliberately provocative, but also genuinely probing their sentiments, Michael Albert asked, what if there is a conflict between teh true will of the grassroots people's assemblies and Chavez himself? After a short pause as the interviewees kinda of smiled and looked at each other, they loudly replies, "In those cases, then "f*ck Chavez!" meaning in cases where Chavez's own policies, viewed, programs, etc, went against what the grassroots assemblies thought were truly in the people's intersets, these should have precendence over Chavez. Albert was clearly pleased with that answer, his alliance being clearly with the Venezualan people. That's where Z stands. But it's attacked like other for daring to talk about some of the many positive social programs to help the poor, education, healthcare, helping the hungry, etc..(Washington's priorities fit better with the mainstream AP report that "Chavez invested Venezuela's oil wealth into social programs including state-run food markets, cash benefits for poor families, free health clinics and education programs. But those gains were meager compared with the spectacular construction projects that oil riches spurred in glittering Middle Eastern cities, including the world's tallest building in Dubai and plans for branches of the Louvre and Guggenheim museums in Abu Dhabi" I guess that's why our leaders lambasted Chavez, who won several democratic elections, while at the same time, our same leaders keep brutal oil-rich dictatorships in power, sell them weapons, etc..) Funny world we live in.. Harel (talk) 22:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

"How many libertarians, socialist or otherwise ...? ... it is not libertarian in any meaningful sense." -- your rhetorical question and your bald assertion are not coherent, because libertarian socialists are not libertarians. It's like complaining that a socialist who believes in libertarian free will is not a libertarian--it's simply a misunderstanding of how the word is being applied. -- 72.194.4.183 (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Merged

I have merged here the contents of Z Magazine, ZNet, Z Media, and Z Video. All were turned into redirects. - Nabla 2005-07-08 18:53:02 (UTC)

I don't think that they should have been put into the same page as they are really entirely different things. Z Magazine is an actual magazine that is available at book stores, Z Video productions produces political documentaries, and Z net is a website.--Jersey Devil 12:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

There's far too much information that could be entered on each section of Z, they shouldn't be on the same page 82.7.74.130 17:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)/~~

removed POV remarks and considered to be radical [1][2] left-wing by US standards--Boscobiscotti 04:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

More info

I think the article should have much more information, though I cannot say what, since I am not familiar with the subject. -Pgan002 (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed "Z Magazine (street newspaper), the Netherlands street newspaper" ... as none shown to exist.

Removed "Z Magazine (street newspaper), the Netherlands street newspaper" ... as none shown to exist.

Per

Not to be confused with Z Magazine, the Netherlands street newspaper.

99.181.135.87 (talk) 04:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Z-Magazine is a street newspaper (magazine) published out of the Netherlands (http://www.z-krant.nl/). It addresses social and political issues, many of which affect the people who are homeless. Vendors (typically members of the homeless community) sell the magazine and are able to keep a portion of the sale as payment. It should NOT be included in this description as it is NOT the same thing at all. Jodean s (talk) 21:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Primary source to verify

Primary sources may be used to verify information WP:PRIMARY. For example, if some was said to have written for a publication, then a link to their writing on that publication's website verifies it. Unless there is reason to question the attribution or use of work. This is different to notability.Jonpatterns (talk) 09:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Why does Michael Albert's page now redirect here?

I was searching for Michael Albert's page and noticed that it now redirects to Z Communications. I'd suggest reinstating the individual page, as it contains useful author information and detail about his philosophy of participatory economics. Compare with the archived version here: http://web.archive.org/web/20170427121828/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Albert — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jservx (talk • contribs) 17:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Time to replace this page

Time to replace this page with a history of Z Magazine which ran Z Communications and the Z Media Institute. I propose creating a stub for Z Magazine (no longer publishing). With mentions of founders Michael Albert and Lydia Sargeant. Any comments?Chip.berlet (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I believe Z magazine continues to publish Actio (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Z Magazine continues to be published: https://zcomm.org/zmag -- 72.194.4.183 (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

section on criticism

sorry, but this is a ridiculous entry. In all the years the magazine was published, one author criticized it for not publishing his article quickly enough to suit him and for misattribution in some unspecified way? I heartily propose that this section be removed. I assume someone here at Wikipedia understands publishing well enough to know how painfully absurd this is. I feel embarrassed. Actio (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

removed third-party tag

There are numerous third-party references in the current article.

Previous domain names

The magazine has had many domain names, including Zmag.org and zcommunications.org.

Also created a zmag.org redirect. Metro2fsb (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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